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2022 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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bucknut502 said:
Maybe go read your comment again. If you knew there was an “outlier” you shouldn’t have said there’s nothing but projects after Munford and NPF.

With that said...I’m not a huge fan of Stud. But 5 of the top 9 Offensive Linemen that Ohio State has ever landed has been during his time at Ohio State.

NPF
Paris Johnson
Donovan Jackson
Wyatt Davis
Harry Miller

I’d say landing 5 of the school’s 9 five star OL all time (in the recruiting ranking era) is pretty darn good.
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And you still didn't answer my question and give me the rest of the OTs that you feel so comfortable about. Yes, we all feel great about PJJ, a kid who was probably going to be a Buckeye, and im sure had multiple coaches on staff helping. Just like all of the top guys you named were all added with the addition of other coaches. NPF was a well known Schiano aided kid. Harry Miller is a Buckeye because of Urban Meyer and his great relationship with the parents(more specifically his mom: https://www.google.com/amp/s/theath...tate-commitment-harry-miller-urban-meyer/?amp), and in general those best OL recruits were signed mainly with help from the HC more than Stud doing the heavy lifting. There's no other position group that needs that much help. It's great landing those interior OL, but in a year we will desperately need some top OTs, because PJJ on one side and Toutant on the other probably isn't beating Bama. Maybe Dawand Jones on the other side could be great, but you're playing with fire by depending on so many projects is my only point.

And besides, it's the off season, what else do we have to discuss besides OL, RBs and QB battles :shrug:
 
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pnuts34 said:
And you still didn't answer my question and give me the rest of the OTs that you feel so comfortable about. Yes, we all feel great about PJJ, a kid who was probably going to be a Buckeye, and im sure had multiple coaches on staff helping. Just like all of the top guys you named were all added with the addition of other coaches. NPF was a well known Schiano aided kid. Harry Miller is a Buckeye because of Urban Meyer and his great relationship with the parents(more specifically his mom: https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/581278/2018/10/11/ohio-state-commitment-harry-miller-urban-meyer/?amp), and in general those best OL recruits were signed mainly with help from the HC more than Stud doing the heavy lifting. There's no other position group that needs that much help. It's great landing those interior OL, but in a year we will desperately need some top OTs, because PJJ on one side and Toutant on the other probably isn't beating Bama. Maybe Dawand Jones on the other side could be great, but you're playing with fire by depending on so many projects is my only point.

And besides, it's the off season, what else do we have to discuss besides OL, RBs and QB battles :shrug:
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I agree with everything you’re saying...and again, I’m not a big fan of Stud’s. However, those kids may have committed due to Schiano or Urban, but they knew Stud was their position coach.

And to answer your question, I don’t feel good about the OT depth. Not at all. I think the starting 5 will be one of the best (top 3 probably) that I’ve seen in my lifetime of watching Ohio State football. But the depth is very concerning.
 
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bucknut502 said:
I agree with everything you’re saying...and again, I’m not a big fan of Stud’s. However, those kids may have committed due to Schiano or Urban, but they knew Stud was their position coach.

And to answer your question, I don’t feel good about the OT depth. Not at all. I think the starting 5 will be one of the best (top 3 probably) that I’ve seen in my lifetime of watching Ohio State football. But the depth is very concerning.
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Yeah, our starting 5 will easily be the B1G's best and arguably top 3 in the country. that there's no injury, or at least we can rest some of the starters against the likes of Maryland, MSU, Rutgers and OOC(not named Oregon). I'd feel more comfortable if the projects at OT at least got some real game reps
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I certainly wouldn't consider him that. I'd say after NPF and Munford leave you have Paris Johnson at one tackle, Dewand Jones (I guess we have no choice that he's ready) then;

2019 class: Jacoby
2020 class: Toutant, Leroux
2021 class: Michalski

That's 4 live OT bodies plus anyone they recruit for 2022. Everyone of those guys was, I believe, a lower rated player than the OT(s) they swung and missed on in that year.

I don't get how anyone looks at that and feels overly comfortable.
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Josh Fryar can play tackle and was given glowing reviews about his development.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
You seem to believe Stud is dropping the ball somewhat in recruiting and yet he is landing elite guys, just on the interior as it so happens.
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That is what I have said all along. Interior recruiting is excellent, disturbing trend of swings and misses for his plan A guys at OT. He is recruiting elite guys at C/G, he is dropping the ball at OT.

The former doesn't help the latter very often, or sometimes at all, unfortunately.
 
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Hence why tOSU uses their TEs as blockers......here's hoping that Myers and Davis go - what? - first or second round in the draft, and then Thayer and NFP in first or second the next year? Bama has their OTs going there, and this year they got 2 5*s OTs to sign the dotted. Some coaches are great on the technique, but lack the verbal skills to 'sweettalk' kids to the program. Gotta point to the results (high NFL draft #) to prove their point. Oh yeah, OT is pretty much on an island. With all the emphasis being placed on Rush DEs, tackles gotta be strong AND fast footed. And I guess long-armed, to keep the DEs at arms length. Maybe there's a problem with the coaching thoughts, when tOSU loses a kid like Max Wray to ?. He played very well in one game and then didn't get but a handful of snaps the rest of the season. I do understand that the OL needs to be familiar with each other, and as such, are not interchangeable (?). I'm not student enough of the game to know why not, as that's what practices are for, right? Be curious to hear other thoughts. Go Bucks! PS, is Big Thanos injured? Read his name, but not seeing him on practice field.
 
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calibuck said:
Hence why tOSU uses their TEs as blockers......here's hoping that Myers and Davis go - what? - first or second round in the draft, and then Thayer and NFP in first or second the next year? Bama has their OTs going there, and this year they got 2 5*s OTs to sign the dotted. Some coaches are great on the technique, but lack the verbal skills to 'sweettalk' kids to the program. Gotta point to the results (high NFL draft #) to prove their point. Oh yeah, OT is pretty much on an island. With all the emphasis being placed on Rush DEs, tackles gotta be strong AND fast footed. And I guess long-armed, to keep the DEs at arms length. Maybe there's a problem with the coaching thoughts, when tOSU loses a kid like Max Wray to ?. He played very well in one game and then didn't get but a handful of snaps the rest of the season. I do understand that the OL needs to be familiar with each other, and as such, are not interchangeable (?). I'm not student enough of the game to know why not, as that's what practices are for, right? Be curious to hear other thoughts. Go Bucks! PS, is Big Thanos injured? Read his name, but not seeing him on practice field.
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I think it’s a coaches Decision not to rotate in on the OL ..most teams don’t but some do. I would use more linemen.
 
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These things are planned years out but when things like depth become immediate issues, people act like it could have all been avoided.

Take Wray as an example. If I told you pre-COVID that Munford and NPF would have both played very well but Wray had a chance to play and do great most would have penciled him in as a potential starter because the odds would be that one of Munford or NPF would have declared for the draft. But COVID changed things to a weird year and bath guys are back.

So as it is, they both stayed and Wray is leaving. So it begs the question, if you knew you had to lose one of those guys to the draft but you got to keep Wray would you? Of course not.

Kinda like the sudden empty QB room a few years ago. You had a very effective JT stay longer than normal, then you lose Burrow and Haskins plays himself into being a first rounder after just one year. And then you have a huge issue at QB.

Things happen.

That’s why I said in Goodwin’s thread that there is also free agency. I mean, that’s how we fixed the QB situation I just described. And we did the same at RB.

I’m just not stressed yet.
 
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I'm confused about the discussion. Why does it matter the reason guys are Buckeyes? Should that matter as long as they are in Scarlet and Gray?

I'm going to predict right now that either one of the guys on the roster explodes onto the scene or we snag a recruit that we unexpectedly land and becomes a star.

Feels like a good vBet item.
 
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