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jwinslow said:
:roll1: Between this and the Wilkins is like Bennett but better line, I'm having a lot of trouble with the recent DT breakdowns.
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I am sorry. What part of this is giving you a lot of trouble? Yes Wilkins is a stud. Bennett is a senior came in before meyer and johnson. Since meyer the only true interior lineman is Michael hill. You can add Munger maybe as a project. But that's 2 in 4 years.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
@jwinslow - flashbacks to Cdiddy & the Oline recruiting of years past?
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Yes, because of how the point is being made. I think you'll find that many of us wish there were more DTs on board in this unfinished class and the previous one, but how you choose to express that point transforms the value of the post. The same thing was true with OL numbers back then (of course, Warinner got to goose step all over our concerns with a hodge podge of supposedly mediocre recruits and defensive converts).


Also, LJ Sr & Fickell are hanging around for the beastly Porter Gustin. He probably ends up more like Mr. Bosa in terms of size and position, but that could be a late coup that no one really believed in.
 
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Wham said:
I am sorry. What part of this is giving you a lot of trouble? Yes Wilkins is a stud.
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You're really asking why I have a problem with you declaring that a high school child is a perfect replacement for a grown man and college all-american, but not stopping there and claiming that he's bigger, quicker and more explosive?
Bennett is a senior came in before meyer and johnson. Since meyer the only true interior lineman is Michael hill. You can add Munger maybe as a project. But that's 2 in 4 years.
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1. Munger - primary DT sub as a RS frosh
2. Hill - talent is there, needs to be developed
3. Schutt - Hopefully he can get healthy and put together a full season soon.
4. Washington - recruited directly by Meyer before Urban was officially hired and listed that as a reason for his verbal. That's at worst a shared recruitment with Fickell, like Mr. Dunn. If you're going to bag on Urban by counting his first 3 months as a year, he gets Adolphus.
5. Landers - one of these days he will be counted
6? Cornell/Thompson - I'd be surprised if both stayed at DE.

Like I said previously, my preference is for 2 more guys like Landers, Gallimore, Wilkins, Hill in this class and the last one. It's not for any of the reasons you have invented, though.
 
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jwinslow said:
You're really asking why I have a problem with you declaring that a high school child is a perfect replacement for a grown man and college all-american, but not stopping there and claiming that he's bigger, quicker and more explosive? 1. Munger - primary DT sub as a RS frosh
2. Hill - talent is there, needs to be developed
3. Schutt - Hopefully he can get healthy and put together a full season soon.
4. Washington - recruited directly by Meyer before Urban was officially hired and listed that as a reason for his verbal. That's at worst a shared recruitment with Fickell, like Mr. Dunn. If you're going to bag on Urban by counting his first 3 months as a year, he gets Adolphus.
5. Landers - one of these days he will be counted
6? Cornell/Thompson - I'd be surprised if both stayed at DE.

Like I said previously, my preference is for 2 more guys like Landers, Gallimore, Wilkins, Hill in this class and the last one. It's not for any of the reasons you have invented, though.
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Sprinkle in play?
 
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I am a "trust the staff" kind of guy, which is why my biggest reason for concern with our DL is that Urban has been screaming for a bigger rotation all season and it hasn't happened on any consistent basis (certainly not against Bama). That tells me the kids we have aren't where he would like them to be.

It is also sad to see the end of a string that goes back at least 8 years of having a true Frosh who either started or made a serious contribution on the DL - something that is pretty rare and certainly spoiled me. (Heyward-Goebel-Simon-Hankins-Bennett-Spence-Bosa).

One could compare our DL recruiting to OL. We had little roation on the OL last year and this year needed to replace four starters. As a result we are left with the group of clowns and losers who will be starting in the NC game on Monday.

Woe is us.
 
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I guess I'm not ready to concede Beckner. No one knows anything about him and he is visiting. We could, possibly, have a national title trophy to show him and he'll get the fullcourt treatment from the best recruiter in the game.

But I will say I'm concerned if the staff is concerned and, based on what Birm is saying, they're concerned. So I really hope we pull in another DL on Signing Day.
 
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jwinslow said:
You're really asking why I have a problem with you declaring that a high school child is a perfect replacement for a grown man and college all-american, but not stopping there and claiming that he's bigger, quicker and more explosive?
I was not comparing a high school kid to a senior. The comparison is relative to where they would be if Wilkins was a senior right now or how Bennett would compared when he was a senior in high school to Wilkins right now. He is not the perfect replacement right now as-is, but he would have been eventually. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp?

1. Munger - primary DT sub as a RS frosh (big project when he was recruited. I hope he turns out great)
2. Hill - talent is there, needs to be developed (counted)
3. Schutt - Hopefully he can get healthy and put together a full season soon. (yes I missed him but a little undersized)
4. Washington - recruited directly by Meyer before Urban was officially hired and listed that as a reason for his verbal. That's at worst a shared recruitment with Fickell, like Mr. Dunn. If you're going to bag on Urban by counting his first 3 months as a year, he gets Adolphus. (DE originally)
5. Landers - one of these days he will be counted (we'll see)
6? Cornell/Thompson - I'd be surprised if both stayed at DE. (DE's)

Remember I said the only true interior lineman. Yeah I missed a little bit but I was close, and we have not recruited that position like we should have.


Like I said previously, my preference is for 2 more guys like Landers, Gallimore, Wilkins, Hill in this class and the last one. It's not for any of the reasons you have invented, though.
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Not inventions...just facts and you know it.
Thanks for your input
 
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OH10 said:
I guess I'm not ready to concede Beckner. No one knows anything about him and he is visiting. We could, possibly, have a national title trophy to show him and he'll get the fullcourt treatment from the best recruiter in the game.

But I will say I'm concerned if the staff is concerned and, based on what Birm is saying, they're concerned. So I really hope we pull in another DL on Signing Day.
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The same staff was also worried about our O line coming into this season... There's a lot of time until the 2015 season begins. In the words of Aaron Rodgers : R E L A X
 
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Wham said:
Not inventions...just facts and you know it.
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Wham inventions:

Fiction: They are casual/lazy about recruiting
Fact: They have gone all out on everyone not named Daniel. They just haven't landed as many as they would have liked.

Fiction: They put their eggs in 1-2 baskets
Fact: They chased Gallimore, Wilkins, Daniel, Landers, Beckner, (Cornell) and surely have backup plans in place (edit: one just surfaced today)

Fiction: They landed 2 interior DL in 4 years
Fact: Urban has been recruiting for 3 years and 1 month. In his first "year", he landed Schutt and Washington. Since then he landed Munger, Hill, Landers and is working on another. He probably gets to count one or both of Thompson and Cornell as interior DL someday, but it's too soon to tell. The number is 5 without counting DL/JC or Sprinkle (who is probably a DT but isn't contributing yet).

Fiction: Wilkins could replace an AA DT and be a more athletic version of him next year.
Fact: Wilkins is a stud but is entering the realm of grown freaking men. The chances of him being effective next year are tenuous, because of how difficult that transition is, let alone a replacement for a star.

Fiction: Emotional arguments about things we want jive with what the staff is doing.
Fact: Emotional arguments derail valid criticisms about recruiting.
 
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bukIpower said:
At this point we will just have to see how good our full court press is on a guy like Beckner. Perhaps the biggest recruit is going to be Washington because losing 3 of our front 4 will hurt (especially our two great DT's). At least if Washington comes back he'll buy us another year to pick up a difference maker in 2016 on the interior. I really believe Landers, Thompson, and probably Cornell will be inside. You add Schutt, Hill, Munger, and Sprinkle and we will be fine but we do need one of these back ups next year to make a move to solidify the interior.

Don't be surprised to see Bosa quite a bit on the Interior on long yard situations with Holmes/Slade/Hubbard as two of the ends. So Bosa will also slide inside some as well

Perhaps a defensive shift will happen as well? More of a 3-4 with having a Rush LB with something like this...

DE-Bosa
DT-Schutt
DE-Washington
OLB-Booker
MLB-Raekwon
MLB-Perry
LEO- Hubbard

Point being is there's lots of options but that said yes if there is one weakness right now our defense has it's on the interior. Also with the transfers last year of our two best speed ends our defensive line definitely isn't near what it was before hand. We need another difference maker on the DL soon.
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So next year a RS soph who started all year and was also the Sugar Bowl DPOG can't crack the starting lineup?
 
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