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Game Thread tOSU vs. Sparty, B1G Championship Game, Sat 8 ET on FOX

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OSU has the best program in the B10. When Tressel left I thought "thank God now maybe the rest of us can win something" and then you bring in Urban. I mean honestly, it is an embarrassing amount of riches. Clean up the D a bit and start teaching your DBs how to cover and you would be all set.

IF you switched MSU and OSU corners OSU wins. It was that simple. The DB coach needs to either get to work or pack his bags. Because that was the area that killed the D all day. At least 2 PI calls that should have been interceptions if the DB had just turned back to the ball. They are poorly coached it is that simple. That is not a talent issue it is a reps issues and not being properly coached.
 
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Am I wrong? The first half of the season the offense ran 10-12 scripted plays, uptempo. I mean, play ends, right up to the line, and run the next play. Last half of the season it seemed to me we got away from this, except when we got down to the goal line. That uptempo always seemed to work well. Why did we get away from it or was it not as successful as I thought. Just wondering. And yes, the defense has had serious issues for the past two seasons. Fix it!
 
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jackson77 said:
Am I wrong? The first half of the season the offense ran 10-12 scripted plays, uptempo. I mean, play ends, right up to the line, and run the next play. Last half of the season it seemed to me we got away from this, except when we got down to the goal line. That uptempo always seemed to work well. Why did we get away from it or was it not as successful as I thought. Just wondering. And yes, the defense has had serious issues for the past two seasons. Fix it!
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The high tempo just makes things worse for a defense that struggles to get off the field, so I can see why they slowed things down. However, when the offense started to take over the game in the second half, upping the tempo would have shown a little bit of the killer instinct that the overall playcalling lacked.
 
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Greyshirt said:
OSU has the best program in the B10. When Tressel left I thought "thank God now maybe the rest of us can win something" and then you bring in Urban. I mean honestly, it is an embarrassing amount of riches. Clean up the D a bit and start teaching your DBs how to cover and you would be all set.

IF you switched MSU and OSU corners OSU wins. It was that simple. The DB coach needs to either get to work or pack his bags. Because that was the area that killed the D all day. At least 2 PI calls that should have been interceptions if the DB had just turned back to the ball. They are poorly coached it is that simple. That is not a talent issue it is a reps issues and not being properly coached.
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1,000 % correct !
 
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So this is what if feels like after a loss. I had forgotten. It sucks.

To lose to Jim Bollman is very aggravating. About a dozen times Sat night I looked at OSU tackling Langford 3 yards in the backfield, and said, "That looks familiar." But Sparty made up for it by passing for 300 yards. We made them play left handed and they still won the game. Classic Tresselball: "win the easiest way." The easiest way to move the ball against the Ohio State D was through the air, and they did it efficiently. Hats off to them. They had our D worn down to the frazzle, and then Langford hits them up the middle = ballgame. How many games did Jim T win that way? Tons.

That D is a mess. Since I'm not at practice or in meetings, I can't put my finger on what it is. My best guess is a lack of talent and depth at a couple of positions, a lack of development of players, a lack of trust between the players, and a concious decision that playing soft zone is the best way for this team to win. I'm sure Urban does know what the problem is and will address it with recruiting and/or defensive coaching staff changes. If there are staff changes, that will let us know what Urban thinks is the problem. If not, they just need to give that staff more to work with.

And it wasn't all the fault of the D. Brax was 8/20 and abysmal on 3rd down --> lots of 3-5 and outs. I wanted Herman to put a saddle on Hyde and run to the NC game, but his desire to be balanced kept getting OSU in 2nd and 3rd and long - which is right where MSU wanted them. Really frustrating.

In the end, we probably need to thank Sparty for saving us the beatdown that Florda State was going to give Ohio State. Jameis Winston would have scorched that D without breaking a sweat. Ohio State has an elite offense and an elite kicking game. The offense and our competition allowed us to think that we could get by without a functional pass defense - but Sparty reminded us that there is still some truth in the adage: defense wins championships.

Now Coqui, I need you to talk me off the ledge. :sad:
 
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To lose to Jim Bollman is very aggravating. About a dozen times
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... a day buckeyes will have to repeat that Bollman doesn't call plays?

What is interesting is watching a Bollman coached line (Sparty's first good one in about 5 years) without the limitations and congestion of Bollman's playcalling.
 
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jwinslow said:
... a day buckeyes will have to repeat that Bollman doesn't call plays?

What is interesting is watching a Bollman coached line (Sparty's first good one in about 5 years) without the limitations and congestion of Bollman's playcalling.
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The aggravating thing is that our D line was manhandling Sparty's o-line most of the day until they got gassed in the 4th. All we needed were corners that can cover for more than 2 seconds and we hold MSU to 14 points. Maybe fewer. A competent pass defense completely shuts down that offense. As poorly as the offense played at times, 24 points should of been more than enough for teams with even mediocre pass defense.
 
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Coqui said:
It's only a football game. It's only for entertainment.


that's all I got

At least I now know my concerns were definitely warranted.
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Not really on a ledge. If we go back to 1998 vs. Sparty, that was a dangerous time. :biggrin:

I used to get depressed and grouchy after a loss, but my wife got tired of it and asked me one day, "Why do you let a bunch of guys who play football - that you don't personally know - affect how you feel?" Good question. "It's only for entertainment" is another wise thought.

Your concerns were warranted? Oh yes they were!
 
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OSUK said:
So this is what if feels like after a loss. I had forgotten. It sucks.

To lose to Jim Bollman is very aggravating. About a dozen times Sat night I looked at OSU tackling Langford 3 yards in the backfield, and said, "That looks familiar." But Sparty made up for it by passing for 300 yards. We made them play left handed and they still won the game. Classic Tresselball: "win the easiest way." The easiest way to move the ball against the Ohio State D was through the air, and they did it efficiently. Hats off to them. They had our D worn down to the frazzle, and then Langford hits them up the middle = ballgame. How many games did Jim T win that way? Tons.

That D is a mess. Since I'm not at practice or in meetings, I can't put my finger on what it is. My best guess is a lack of talent and depth at a couple of positions, a lack of development of players, a lack of trust between the players, and a concious decision that playing soft zone is the best way for this team to win. I'm sure Urban does know what the problem is and will address it with recruiting and/or defensive coaching staff changes. If there are staff changes, that will let us know what Urban thinks is the problem. If not, they just need to give that staff more to work with.

And it wasn't all the fault of the D. Brax was 8/20 and abysmal on 3rd down --> lots of 3-5 and outs. I wanted Herman to put a saddle on Hyde and run to the NC game, but his desire to be balanced kept getting OSU in 2nd and 3rd and long - which is right where MSU wanted them. Really frustrating.

In the end, we probably need to thank Sparty for saving us the beatdown that Florda State was going to give Ohio State. Jameis Winston would have scorched that D without breaking a sweat. Ohio State has an elite offense and an elite kicking game. The offense and our competition allowed us to think that we could get by without a functional pass defense - but Sparty reminded us that there is still some truth in the adage: defense wins championships.

Now Coqui, I need you to talk me off the ledge. :sad:
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I said this exact thing walking out of Lucas Oil Stadium!
 
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I still remember sitting in the South Stands, staring at the field almost zombie-like in the 1999 season when Rocky Harvey and Kurt Kitner were killing Ohio State, 46-20.

That was the point where I kind of went off the deep end.

But I still kind of get upset when OSU loses (contemplate what the team could of done different).
 
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