DaytonBuck
I've always liked them
the academic standards and students don't help either Rugby. I think the Irish are over as a major player
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Just announced on Patick and Rome shows.
Just announced on Patick and Rome shows.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
http://und.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/113004aaa.html
wow....straight and to the point, right off their official site.
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The ND statement saying 'Ty Willingham will not be retained as head coach',
doesn't call it a resignation or a firing. So one can assume he was forced out one way or the other. This is the first time that ND has dumped a head football coach during his first contracted term with them. Even Gerry Faust was allowed to stay for his full 5 year contract.
doesn't call it a resignation or a firing. So one can assume he was forced out one way or the other. This is the first time that ND has dumped a head football coach during his first contracted term with them. Even Gerry Faust was allowed to stay for his full 5 year contract.
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tibor75
Banned
hard to argue with this logic...
http://mb6.scout.com/fnotredamefrm1.showMessage?topicID=6062.topic
Here are some very intersting numbers reagrding TW in his first 3 years compared to other ND coaches.
Make up your own minds on whether or not it's worth it to keep him around for the duration of his contract.
I borrowed this from a fellow poster on another board.
In Tyrone Willingham’s first 3 seasons at Notre Dame:
1. Tyrone Willingham has lost 8 games by at least 3 touchdowns. By comparison, Bob Davie lost 4 games by 3 touchdowns and Gerry Faust lost 3 games by 3 touchdowns. That means that in 3 years Tyrone Willingham has lost more games by 3 touchdowns than Bob Davie and Gerry Faust did in their 10 years combined.
2. Notre Dame was shut out by at least 30 points twice in 2003. The last time that happened was 1904.
3. In Tyrone Willingham’s first 3 years, Notre Dame has lost by at least 30 points 5 times. For perspective, in the previous 40 seasons (1961-2000), Notre Dame lost by at least 30 points a total of 4 times. Bob Davie only lost by 30 points 1 time, as did Gerry Faust.
4. The 38-12 loss to 6-6 Syracuse was Notre Dame’s first 3 touchdown loss to an unranked team since 1960.
5. From the 44-13 loss to Southern Cal in 2002 until the 20-17 loss to a 5-6 Brigham Young team, Notre Dame lost 10 games over a 15 game stretch. That was the worst 15 game stretch since 1960.
6. Tyrone Willingham is the first Notre Dame coach since Joe Kuharich (17-23) to have fewer wins by 3 touchdowns (5) than he had losses by 3 touchdowns ( 8 ). Bob Davie had twice as many 3 touchdown wins as losses (8 wins, 4 losses). Gerry Faust had over 4 times as many (14 wins, 3 losses).
7. In 2003, Tyrone Willingham became the first Notre Dame coach to have consecutive 4 TD losses to Southern Cal. In 2004, he had his 3rd in a row.
8. Tyrone Willingham has been a Notre Dame coach for 3 years out of the school’s 117 years (2.6% of the seasons) and has coached in 36 of Notre Dame’s 1,106 games (3.3%), however, he has coached in 23.8% (5 out of 21) of Notre Dame’s losses by at least 30 points.
9. After starting out 8-0, Tyrone Willingham’s record since has been 13-15.
10. When Tyrone Willingham took over, Notre Dame had the #1 all time winning percentage, with a record of 781-247-42 (.749), ahead of Michigan’s 813-265-36 (.746). At the end of the regular season of 2004, Michigan now has the #1 all time winning percentage, with a record of 842-274-36 (.747) while Notre Dame is #2 with a record of 802-261-42 (.745).
Some miscellaneous stats:
Three Notre Dame opponent records have been set in the last 3 years:
Most passing yards against Notre Dame (425 yards)- Carson Palmer, USC, 2002
Most receiving yards against Notre Dame (217 yards)- Craphonso Thorpe, FSU, 2003
Most passing touchdowns against Notre Dame (5)- Tyler Palko, Pitt, 2004, Matt Leinart, USC, 2004
Combined 3-year records:
Joe Kuharich: 10-18 (.357)
Ara Parseghian: 25-3-2 (.867)
Dan Devine: 28-7 (.800)
Gerry Faust: 18-15-1 (.529)
Lou Holtz: 25-10 (.714)
Bob Davie: 21-16 (.56
Tyrone Willingham: 21-15 (.583)
Year by Year Coaching records for their first 3 years:
Joe Kuharich:
5-5
2-8
5-5
Ara Parseghian:
9-1
7-2-1
9-0-1
Dan Devine:
8-3
9-3
11-1
Gerry Faust:
5-6
6-4-1
7-5
Lou Holtz:
5-6
8-4
12-0
Bob Davie:
7-6
9-3
5-7
Tyrone Willingham:
10-3
5-7
6-5
Coaching Home Records for Their First 3 years:
Joe Kuharich: 7-8 (.467)
Ara Parseghian: 14-1 (.933)
Dan Devine: 12-3 (.800)
Gerry Faust: 9-7 (.563)
Lou Holtz: 15-3 (.833)
Bob Davie: 15-4 (.789)
Tyrone Willingham: 11-7 (.611)
Total Scoring Margins Through Their First Three Years at Notre Dame:
Ara Parseghian +731
Dan Devine +517
Gerry Faust +241
Lou Holtz +438
Bob Davie + 114
Tyrone Willingham +18
In the 117-year history of Notre Dame football, Notre Dame has lost by more than 30 points 20 times.
Here is a listing of those losses, detailing year, coach, opponent, and score:
1900 - O'Dea - Wisconsin - 54-0
1904 - Salmon - Wisconsin - 58-0
1904 - Salmon - Purdue 36-0
1905 - McGlew - Purdue - 32-0
1944 - McKeever - Army - 59-0
1945 - Devore - Army - 48-0
1945 - Devore - Great Lakes - 39-7
1951 - Leahy - Michigan State - 35-0
1956 - Brennan - Michigan State - 47-14
1956 - Brennan - Oklahoma - 40-0
1956 - Brennan - Iowa - 48-8
1960 - Kuharich - Purdue - 51-19
1972 - Parseghian - Nebraska - 40-6
1974 - Parseghian - USC - 55-24
1985 - Faust - Miami - 58-7
2000 - Davie - Oregon State - 41-9
2002 - Willingham - USC - 44-13
2003 - Willingham - Michigan - 38-0
2003 - Willingham - USC - 45-14
2003 - Willingham - Florida State 37-0
2004 - Willingham - USC - 41-10
http://mb6.scout.com/fnotredamefrm1.showMessage?topicID=6062.topic
Here are some very intersting numbers reagrding TW in his first 3 years compared to other ND coaches.
Make up your own minds on whether or not it's worth it to keep him around for the duration of his contract.
I borrowed this from a fellow poster on another board.
In Tyrone Willingham’s first 3 seasons at Notre Dame:
1. Tyrone Willingham has lost 8 games by at least 3 touchdowns. By comparison, Bob Davie lost 4 games by 3 touchdowns and Gerry Faust lost 3 games by 3 touchdowns. That means that in 3 years Tyrone Willingham has lost more games by 3 touchdowns than Bob Davie and Gerry Faust did in their 10 years combined.
2. Notre Dame was shut out by at least 30 points twice in 2003. The last time that happened was 1904.
3. In Tyrone Willingham’s first 3 years, Notre Dame has lost by at least 30 points 5 times. For perspective, in the previous 40 seasons (1961-2000), Notre Dame lost by at least 30 points a total of 4 times. Bob Davie only lost by 30 points 1 time, as did Gerry Faust.
4. The 38-12 loss to 6-6 Syracuse was Notre Dame’s first 3 touchdown loss to an unranked team since 1960.
5. From the 44-13 loss to Southern Cal in 2002 until the 20-17 loss to a 5-6 Brigham Young team, Notre Dame lost 10 games over a 15 game stretch. That was the worst 15 game stretch since 1960.
6. Tyrone Willingham is the first Notre Dame coach since Joe Kuharich (17-23) to have fewer wins by 3 touchdowns (5) than he had losses by 3 touchdowns ( 8 ). Bob Davie had twice as many 3 touchdown wins as losses (8 wins, 4 losses). Gerry Faust had over 4 times as many (14 wins, 3 losses).
7. In 2003, Tyrone Willingham became the first Notre Dame coach to have consecutive 4 TD losses to Southern Cal. In 2004, he had his 3rd in a row.
8. Tyrone Willingham has been a Notre Dame coach for 3 years out of the school’s 117 years (2.6% of the seasons) and has coached in 36 of Notre Dame’s 1,106 games (3.3%), however, he has coached in 23.8% (5 out of 21) of Notre Dame’s losses by at least 30 points.
9. After starting out 8-0, Tyrone Willingham’s record since has been 13-15.
10. When Tyrone Willingham took over, Notre Dame had the #1 all time winning percentage, with a record of 781-247-42 (.749), ahead of Michigan’s 813-265-36 (.746). At the end of the regular season of 2004, Michigan now has the #1 all time winning percentage, with a record of 842-274-36 (.747) while Notre Dame is #2 with a record of 802-261-42 (.745).
Some miscellaneous stats:
Three Notre Dame opponent records have been set in the last 3 years:
Most passing yards against Notre Dame (425 yards)- Carson Palmer, USC, 2002
Most receiving yards against Notre Dame (217 yards)- Craphonso Thorpe, FSU, 2003
Most passing touchdowns against Notre Dame (5)- Tyler Palko, Pitt, 2004, Matt Leinart, USC, 2004
Combined 3-year records:
Joe Kuharich: 10-18 (.357)
Ara Parseghian: 25-3-2 (.867)
Dan Devine: 28-7 (.800)
Gerry Faust: 18-15-1 (.529)
Lou Holtz: 25-10 (.714)
Bob Davie: 21-16 (.56
Tyrone Willingham: 21-15 (.583)
Year by Year Coaching records for their first 3 years:
Joe Kuharich:
5-5
2-8
5-5
Ara Parseghian:
9-1
7-2-1
9-0-1
Dan Devine:
8-3
9-3
11-1
Gerry Faust:
5-6
6-4-1
7-5
Lou Holtz:
5-6
8-4
12-0
Bob Davie:
7-6
9-3
5-7
Tyrone Willingham:
10-3
5-7
6-5
Coaching Home Records for Their First 3 years:
Joe Kuharich: 7-8 (.467)
Ara Parseghian: 14-1 (.933)
Dan Devine: 12-3 (.800)
Gerry Faust: 9-7 (.563)
Lou Holtz: 15-3 (.833)
Bob Davie: 15-4 (.789)
Tyrone Willingham: 11-7 (.611)
Total Scoring Margins Through Their First Three Years at Notre Dame:
Ara Parseghian +731
Dan Devine +517
Gerry Faust +241
Lou Holtz +438
Bob Davie + 114
Tyrone Willingham +18
In the 117-year history of Notre Dame football, Notre Dame has lost by more than 30 points 20 times.
Here is a listing of those losses, detailing year, coach, opponent, and score:
1900 - O'Dea - Wisconsin - 54-0
1904 - Salmon - Wisconsin - 58-0
1904 - Salmon - Purdue 36-0
1905 - McGlew - Purdue - 32-0
1944 - McKeever - Army - 59-0
1945 - Devore - Army - 48-0
1945 - Devore - Great Lakes - 39-7
1951 - Leahy - Michigan State - 35-0
1956 - Brennan - Michigan State - 47-14
1956 - Brennan - Oklahoma - 40-0
1956 - Brennan - Iowa - 48-8
1960 - Kuharich - Purdue - 51-19
1972 - Parseghian - Nebraska - 40-6
1974 - Parseghian - USC - 55-24
1985 - Faust - Miami - 58-7
2000 - Davie - Oregon State - 41-9
2002 - Willingham - USC - 44-13
2003 - Willingham - Michigan - 38-0
2003 - Willingham - USC - 45-14
2003 - Willingham - Florida State 37-0
2004 - Willingham - USC - 41-10
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JohnnyCockfight
Beer is God's proof that he loves us.
Thanks for that info--I remember hearing something like that in the past. I think that the opportunity to possibly grab Urban Meyer, before he signs on with a different major power, had some bearing on what went down.BuckeyeBill73 said:
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gregorylee
I'd rather be napping!!
Semi related, there is speculation on the Radio of Ty going back to Stanford. This rumor was refuted with another rumor of the Cardinals going after Chow. All these rumors are going to keep me awake until bowl season.... 
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Certainly is the coaching silly season. Amazing how many get recycled at the expense of some new blood getting a chance.
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Reminds me of the Frank Solich firing at nebraska last year. ND had good wins against scUM and at Tennecheat this year, but a 6-5 record and a 3rd straight 31-point loss to your arch-rival doesn't get it done.
How'd that first year work out for the Huskers, anyway? Oh, they had their first losing season in over 40 years, and broke their 35-year bowl streak?
We can only hope for just as much success for the new ND coach.
How'd that first year work out for the Huskers, anyway? Oh, they had their first losing season in over 40 years, and broke their 35-year bowl streak?
We can only hope for just as much success for the new ND coach.
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GoofyBuckeye
Nutis Maximus
it's everywhere now...all sports channels have the story. He was canned.
I think some of you owe an apology to the person who started this thread, gosh darnit!
I think some of you owe an apology to the person who started this thread, gosh darnit!
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devily_buck
Wisconsin's Finest
JohnnyCockfight said:
My source confirms that Meyer is the target at Notre Dame.
I will obviously have more information when the future coach attempts to put together his coaching staff whenever the new coach is hired.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
There have been rumors floating around for the last week or so that Ty was talking to Washington. There was an LA article today stating that Chow was at the top of Stanford's list and some moves would be made on that front soon.gregorylee said:Semi related, there is speculation on the Radio of Ty going back to Stanford. This rumor was refuted with another rumor of the Cardinals going after Chow. All these rumors are going to keep me awake until bowl season....
By moves I assume at least contacting him to see if he is interested. That would be a big blow to usc. Cal coming on, UW getting some stability and Stanford having Chow. USC's cake-ride to Cali recruiting and Pac 10 titles wouldbe over.
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