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UCF Golden Knights (2017 National Champs....sort of)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
So long as there are unbalanced schedules, there will not be a true champion... Although, in the ether, I'm not sure what constitutes a "true champion" Even in the NFL, (And I'm no NE fan) the year the Giants beat the Patriots... Let's be honest here, New England was the best team in the NFL by pretty much every measure... except they lost to a team they had already beaten .. their only loss in 20 games that year.. That loss was only meaningful because it came in February and not September. Which, just goes to my point about playoffs generally.. They're a fine way to crown a champion.. but, there's nothing inherently better about a playoff, and it is not some sort of magical quality a playoff possess that other ways of finding a champion do not.. that is to say, playoffs have their faults...
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Exactly. Playoffs are a separate Tournament in a lot of ways... NFL isnt as bad, but MLB is stupid, and NBA is the worst... and they play so many reg season games.

An even better example is the year Steelers won Super Bowl as wildcard.

It's one of the things i like about Euro football... they award reg season and tournament winners... and those who win both in 1yr are truly special. Doubles and Triples are special.
 
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kujirakira said:
Exactly. Playoffs are a separate Tournament in a lot of ways... NFL isnt as bad, but MLB is stupid, and NBA is the worst... and they play so many reg season games.

An even better example is the year Steelers won Super Bowl as wildcard.

It's one of the things i like about Euro football... they award reg season and tournament winners... and those who win both in 1yr are truly special. Doubles and Triples are special.
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Why wouldn't you say that baseball and basketball have the best playoffs? In actuality playing more games proves a true winner more than a one and done tournament(though that just wouldn't be realistic in a brutal sport like football). That's what makes march Madness such a joke and yet so exciting at the same time. No way you can say that UMBC is a better team than UVA(among many many MM upsets) in a 5-7gm series, but in 1 game, if shots fall the right way for one team, and don't for another, then you have an upset.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Why wouldn't you say that baseball and basketball have the best playoffs? In actuality playing more games proves a true winner more than a one and done tournament(though that just wouldn't be realistic in a brutal sport like football). That's what makes march Madness such a joke and yet so exciting at the same time. No way you can say that UMBC is a better team than UVA(among many many MM upsets) in a 5-7gm series, but in 1 game, if shots fall the right way for one team, and don't for another, then you have an upset.
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Because they play 1000 games and then throw it all out the window for a tournament.
Half the teams in NBA go to that tournament... what's the point of a regular season at all?
 
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kujirakira said:
Because they play 1000 games and then throw it all out the window for a tournament.
Half the teams in NBA go to that tournament... what's the point of a regular season at all?
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And half those teams in the NBA have no real shot at winning the title. We all know that. Point of the regular season is for seeding. And a one and done playoff scenario doesn't always prove the best team, teams can get hot and win. It's proven that the more teams played, will prove the best team(with the best coach and best players), in even a 3-5gm series I'd argue that the Patriots would have more SBs and Bama would have more NCs. A team like UCF can have a nice season and win against a SEC team, but I doubt the same results would occur if played for multiple games
 
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pnuts34 said:
Why wouldn't you say that baseball and basketball have the best playoffs? In actuality playing more games proves a true winner more than a one and done tournament(though that just wouldn't be realistic in a brutal sport like football). That's what makes march Madness such a joke and yet so exciting at the same time. No way you can say that UMBC is a better team than UVA(among many many MM upsets) in a 5-7gm series, but in 1 game, if shots fall the right way for one team, and don't for another, then you have an upset.
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I would argue that it's not a question of what system is "better", it's that the various systems just measure different things. Each of the different things that the various systems measure can be considered a measure of who is really the better team, but none of them is objectively correct on that.

If you want to determine who's better between two teams, is it more accurate to look at how they did against each other, or more accurate to look at how they did against everyone else? Or some combination of the two? I don't think there's an objectively correct answer to that question. As an example, Penn State basketball was clearly better than OSU basketball last year if you go by head-to-head. OSU basketball was clearly better if you go by performance against everyone else.

As you note, a 7-game series doesn't measure the same thing that a 1-game, single elimination does. But similarly, a 7-game series doesn't measure the same thing that a regular season does (or that, say, a 20-game series would). Consider the 2001 Yankees/Diamondbacks World Series. The Yankees, despite a third best winning percentage in the AL, had a better regular season winning percentage than the Diamondbacks did. And they arguably had a better team top-to-bottom, depending on how you're going to measure it. But the Diamondbacks had a better team for a winner-take-all, 7-game series, because they had two nearly unbeatable starting pitchers.

The point is, different championship-determining systems just measure different things. And I don't think there's much basis to say that what one system measures is objectively more fair or accurate than is what some other system measures.
 
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pnuts34 said:
And half those teams in the NBA have no real shot at winning the title. We all know that. Point of the regular season is for seeding. And a one and done playoff scenario doesn't always prove the best team, teams can get hot and win. It's proven that the more teams played, will prove the best team(with the best coach and best players), in even a 3-5gm series I'd argue that the Patriots would have more SBs and Bama would have more NCs. A team like UCF can have a nice season and win against a SEC team, but I doubt the same results would occur if played for multiple games
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You can argue hypotheticals all you want.
I'm interested in what happens on the field.
As zinc pointed out, both systems have their place - but why slap a Tournament onto a Season?
A season measures consistency against the entire field of teams; good and bad.
A tournament measures whose hot at that moment.
There are often upsets in both.
Winning either is just cause for celebration; winning both is something for the history books.
The playoff tournament method cheapens the regular season. There's no point to NFL, NBA, or MLB regular season at this point. You can largely mail it in, finish 4th, ramp up in the postseason and still waltz into the Finals.

If you want a tournament, then have a tournament.
 
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kujirakira said:
You can argue hypotheticals all you want.
I'm interested in what happens on the field.
As zinc pointed out, both systems have their place - but why slap a Tournament onto a Season?
A season measures consistency against the entire field of teams; good and bad.
A tournament measures whose hot at that moment.
There are often upsets in both.
Winning either is just cause for celebration; winning both is something for the history books.
The playoff tournament method cheapens the regular season. There's no point to NFL, NBA, or MLB regular season at this point. You can largely mail it in, finish 4th, ramp up in the postseason and still waltz into the Finals.

If you want a tournament, then have a tournament.
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Regular season play is a barometer for the post season, you can't have one without the other, IMO. But the 1 and done method doesn't always prove the best team and neither does a regular season but its the best you can do in college sports. Professional sports are much different because everyone plays one another in the regular season. The regular season weeds out the teams who don't deserve to play in the post season, so there's a major reason to it. Yes you can finish 4th, but rarely you're waltzing into the finals as that seed, let's be honest. And every team deson't deserve to be in the post season, hence the regular season. Teams like the Miami Dolphins, Chicago Bears, Orland Magic, Sacramento Kings, Cincinnati Reds, Chicago White Sox are not good teams and don't deserve to be in the post season, and their regular season record proves that. And a team can get hot for 1 game maybe 2, but in a series regardless of how "hot" you are, your true team will reveal itself. The "hot" argument mainly works only in the NFL or CFB, playing multiple games is a much better indicator of who's the best team. In a 1 game series, Lebron James could possibly will the Cavs to a win, 1 win, in a 7 game series he can only do so much
 
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Dryden said:
NCAA officially recognizes UCF as 2017 co-champ, honoring their Colley Matrix selection in this years record book.

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"Officially recognizing as a co-champ" is not what that list is doing. It is only noting for the historical record that another "major selector" had a different highest-ranked team than the FBS national championship decided by the College Football Playoff+. So congrats on a Colley title, but it's still not an NCAA championship.

(Note: Colley had Bama as their champ the year before, and ND in 2012, and OK State in 2011. Colley's rankings are terrible.)

+Beginning in 2014, the College Football
Playoff was used to determine national cham-
pions in FBS. All “major selectors” not other-
wise listed also selected the CFP champion
as its higest ranked team in those seasons.
In years where a “major selector” had a team
other than the CFP champion as highest
ranked team in its final poll that team is listed
below the CFP Champion.
 
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Orlando lawyer hires plane to fly UCF National Champs banner over Alabama-Louisville game

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UCF opened the 2018 season by routing UConn on Thursday night but it seems the Knights are still holding on to what the team did last year while a familiar visitor comes to town. Well, at least some alumni are.

In an interview with WKMG News 6, local Orlando lawyer Chad Barr confirmed he is taking the opportunity afforded by Saturday’s Alabama-Louisville contest at Camping World Stadium in the area to ̶a̶n̶t̶a̶g̶o̶n̶i̶z̶e̶ remind visiting Crimson Tide fans of who also can claim a national title from last season. How exactly will he get said message across? By hiring a plane to fly a banner that reads ‘UCF ’17 CO-NAT’L CHAMPS 13-0 CHADBARRLAW.’

Yep.

“We specifically chose to put the word ‘co’ in there so that everyone knows that we aren’t taking anything away from what Alabama did,” Barr said. “We are just celebrating our achievement with them.

Entire article: https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...l-champs-banner-over-alabama-louisville-game/

UCF still "trolling" Alabama/Saban, don't you love it?
:banger:
 
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