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Uh, now the real story about Flight 327

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by tibor75, Aug 4, 2004.

  1. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    from time.com. NOw granted, this is certainly not as reliable as the hysterical rantings of an idiot on Women's Wall Street, one of the most respected news media outlets in modern history. It's hilarious how many gullible people in the world will simply believe what one idiot says just because it's on the internet. Of course, maybe this story isn't accurate either.

    For much of the past month a fight has been raging in news reports and over the Internet about the behavior of 14 male Middle Eastern passengers on Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles. Were the men terrorists casing the plane for a possible attack, as freelance journalist Annie Jacobsen suspected in a long article about the incident? Or were they, as the men said and federal investigators later concluded, a Syrian band on their way to a gig?

    Until now, news accounts have only featured government spokesmen or airline personnel who were not actually on the June 29 flight. But in an exclusive interview with TIME, the lead Federal Air Marshal who flew on Flight 327 tells what happened that day. "Bottom line," the FAM says, "there was never a time when my main partner or I felt there was an imminent threat to that airplane or the passengers."

    The controversy began in mid-July, when WomensWallStreet.com posted an account of the incident written by Jacobsen, a passenger on Flight 327. She detailed what she said was odd behavior of the passengers (for instance, getting up several times during the flight, going to the bathroom often, congregating in the aisle) and described the increasing concern she and her husband felt. She said the flight attendants were also frightened, so much so that they seemed too scared to confront the men.

    Upon arrival in Los Angeles, the 14 men were interviewed by FBI agents and Federal Air Marshals, who determined the men were a Syrian band heading to play a casino in San Diego. After being checked through government databases, they were not charged with any crime or detained beyond questioning.

    Jacobson continues to say that something very suspicious was going on. She's written two follow-up articles, and bloggers and mainstream media outlets have picked up the story.

    This week, TIME conducted a detailed interview with the lead FAM on board Flight 327, one of the thousands of covert, armed government agents who patrol the skies. The man, who authorities did not allow to be identified by name, is 35 years old and worked previously for another federal law enforcement agency. In that job, he often dealt with foreign citizens.

    The FAM, who says for security reasons cannot say exactly where he was sitting, was aware of the group of Middle Eastern men from the beginning of the flight. About 25 minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant discreetly told the FAM that she thought the men were "acting suspiciously" and were congregating near one of the lavatories in the back of the plane. He alerted another marshal on the plane and also told the flight attendant to notify the captain. A short while later, the FAM asked the flight crew member to get physical descriptions of the men and their seat numbers.

    He watched the men and saw nothing out of the ordinary. In a long, single aisle plane like the Boeing 757 that was carrying Flight 327, there are often many people standing or moving around. That was the case on this flight, says the FAM, who has flown hundreds of missions in his two and half years on the job. The FAM never saw — nor was he told — of any example of the men interfering with the flight crew (which is a federal crime). He never saw any activity that caused him to ask the pilots to turn on the seat belt sign (which he can request) and keep people in their seats. "Nothing my main partner or I saw on Flight 327 brought us anywhere near a conclusion that we considered breaking our cover or deploying as we've been trained. And we never came close to drawing our weapons."

    There was, the marshal admits, one incident that did concern him: when one of the group came from the back of the plane forward to use the lavatory in First Class. The FAM timed the man, dressed in a green jumpsuit with Arabic writing on it; he stayed about ten minutes in the toilet. Immediately after the man returned to the back to the plane, the FAM searched the washroom and found nothing. In contrast to Jacobsen's version, the FAM said at no time did any people congregate near the First Class bathroom.

    When the flight was an hour from landing in Los Angeles, the FAM informed his superiors and, as is standard procedure, suggested they meet the plane to interview the men. He told the flight attendant to ask the pilot to alert the authorities at Los Angeles International Airport. That was why the flight was met by federal agents and why the men were interviewed but then allowed to leave in time to make their concert. The FAM's take? "I understand why the passenger felt some anxiety about activity on Flight 327," he says. "But that kind of activity was unusual but not a security incident. There was never a threat to the plane."
     
  2. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Not siding with the woman who wrote the first article, but just because the FAM didn't feel the 14 men posed an imminent threat to the aircraft doesn't mean they weren't indeed "casing" the plane or even executing a "dry-run" of sorts.
     
  3. BuckeyeInTheBoro

    BuckeyeInTheBoro This space left intentionally blank

    This needed it's own thread... why? You have yet to address the points made in the other thread on this where it was already pointed out (with much more damning articles than this one) that this story was "fishy".

    I'll refresh your memory.

    Now that we're all back on the same page would someone please merge this duplicate thread? If you follow my link you'll see that Los Angeles radio station KFI AM640 scooped Time by several weeks.

    ...and Tibor perhaps you could be so kind as to address what difference it makes if the story is pure fiction as long as it could have happened?
     
  4. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    buckeyeintheboro,
    you expect me to weed through all the crap in that thread?
     
  5. BuckeyeInTheBoro

    BuckeyeInTheBoro This space left intentionally blank

    If you do you'll see that I predicted your response. :wink2:

    Never mind answering the question... I'm already over it.
     
  6. gregorylee

    gregorylee I'd rather be napping!!

    Tibs, you dumbass.

    The point of the whole thing was not "wether or not the lady's story was true", but as has been stated that the holes exist. They should be closed wether or not it infringes on someones rights. This is national security damnit, in the old days (pre vietnam) the press wouldn't even ask questions that could be of national security. Now they are sueing to demand answers. National security, that right there negates any "right to know" or most other rights that would place our soldiers or our civilians in danger. Like it or not you whine and cheese liberals, this is not just my opinion.

    On another note, the ACLU can kiss my ass!!!!
     
  7. matz2

    matz2 Sheeeeeeeeeeeit!

    Who started the shit on the other thread Rameesh!?!
     
  8. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    i dont believe you tibs....i dont want to be gullible just because i read this on the internet.
     
  9. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    Hmm..well considering that an air marshall saw the whole thing and that these guys were questioned by law enforcement upon their arrival, it looks like everything is working ok. But I guess that's not good enough for the ladies on this site who swear by Women's Wall Street. :lol:
     
  10. gregorylee

    gregorylee I'd rather be napping!!


    Please re read my post rugmaker, where in this do I claim credibility to the womens wall st??

    The point is that security needs fixed, profiling and some personal rights be damned.

    Are you really this stupid?? I sure hope that they don't trust you with the slurpee machines all by yourself

    I know you are a big boy and all but that might be a little advanced...
     
  11. BuckeyeInTheBoro

    BuckeyeInTheBoro This space left intentionally blank

    :rofl: Tibs is like a clock with a broken hand... he's missing the point so no-one can really figure out what he's trying to say.
     
  12. FKAGobucks877

    FKAGobucks877 The Most Power-Drunk

    Wow. I have to admit, this is pretty funny. Gregorylee, take a step back. Tib's obviously doesn't give two shits whether he's right or not - he isn't even arguing the same point as you. He's doing nothing but trying to get you (or anyone else) riled up. Or is he? Hmmm. I'm not sure what to believe.....now that I've been informed that I can't believe everything on the internet...
     
  13. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    im sure the air marshall and the faa would come out and say...."you know what, thats right, our security sucks and its only a matter of time until another plane gets blown up.."

    whats really funny is that dipshit tibs expects the faa to tell the truth....
     
  14. gregorylee

    gregorylee I'd rather be napping!!

    FKA yeah, I know I am probably being baited. I just can't seem to help myself. There are few things that get me riled up. National Security and all the bullshit politics that has arisen lately are one of those. I guess I would say I am an avid supporter of "You Do NOT Have a Right to Know", anything mostly but in particular when it could endanger someone. For once I wan't to here them ask if they would like a list an pictures of all our overseas covert agents too... Fucking media!
     
  15. FKAGobucks877

    FKAGobucks877 The Most Power-Drunk

    Greg, fear not, you are preaching to the choir here. Racial profiling should happen, and it disturbs me more than I can say here to learn at least of the FAA's (and other government agencies) disregard of public safety, simply to protect a few civil rights. Well, boys and girls, civil rights come after saving lives. I completely agree with DiHard on this - I see something like this going down, and my ass is going to do something to stop it. I see several Arabs using the same bathroom, and taking their sweet time about it, I'm next in line, and nobody else is getting in. I'd rather be accused of being a racist than leaving my wife and unborn child husband- and father-less. I can't say a lot here, I will get too pissed off. Which is why I haven't said anything so far. Damn you Greg, now I'm falling for it as well...:biggrin:
     

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