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kippy1040 said:
I did try to get some official stats on this posts but also was unsuccessful. I can understand a lot of Juniors declaring for the draft, but even that could be a little risky also. Usually the NFL has a list of where some players would end up going in projected rounds, if they decided to come out, ( for example, Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Ellioitt) and a few others, that were projected in the rounds they would go. But players like Darron Lee and Jalin Marshall really should have stuck around another year in my opinion.
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I thought the same thing until I posted in the Vonn Bell about the possibility of getting injured playing another season and LBJ said that have a fourth-round draft choice would get a signing bonus of around $500,000 guaranteed along with a 4 year contract so if a player would go around the fourth-round,, which shows players will, why risk injury. I know that maybe $500,000 is not very much today but I guess you can always come back and get your degree.
 
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LitlBuck said:
I do not have the stats in front of me but I would say far and away this is probably the most underclassmen that have ever declared early for Ohio State. Perhaps @LordJeffBuck has the exact number the past years..
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It will also be the smallest senior class in OSU history.
Currently at 7 with Bell and Thomas yet to decide.

And perhaps most interesting, this could be the highest number of early departures drafted in early rounds who were redshirted in college from any school.
 
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LitlBuck said:
I thought the same thing until I posted in the Vonn Bell about the possibility of getting injured playing another season and LBJ said that have a fourth-round draft choice would get a signing bonus of around $500,000 guaranteed along with a 4 year contract so if a player would go around the fourth-round,, which shows players will, why risk injury. I know that maybe $500,000 is not very much today but I guess you can always come back and get your degree.
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If 500,000 isn't a lot of money I just lost all hope in my financial planning
 
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Oh8ch said:
It will also be the smallest senior class in OSU history.
Currently at 7 with Bell and Thomas yet to decide.

And perhaps most interesting, this could be the highest number of early departures drafted in early rounds who were redshirted in college from any school.
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Makes redshirting seem immaterial. If a guy redshirts and he turns out to be a difference maker, he's gone in 3 years anyway. If a guy redshirts and he's not contributing, then he's taking a roster spot for an extra year. I kinda like what Harbaugh is doing (/ducks)... 5th-years aren't guaranteed.
 
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OH10 said:
Makes redshirting seem immaterial. If a guy redshirts and he turns out to be a difference maker, he's gone in 3 years anyway. If a guy redshirts and he's not contributing, then he's taking a roster spot for an extra year.
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Redshirting seemed particularly questionable in Powell's situation. Fickell redshirted him, and then Urban started him for 12 games as a redshirt freshman. Something doesn't add up to me there.
 
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Playing a lot as a redshirt freshman does not mean they were ready a year earlier and definitely doesn't mean they should have been playing over veterans.

Eli was not ready.
Darron was wildly undersized and had to learn the position.
Marshall had an injury during camp.
Conley was not ready in year 2, so much so that Apple hobbled back out there faster than he should have.
Vonn wasn't ready to be a defensive starter (though he was contributing) but the veteran ahead of him struggled so much it was probably worth it. that was about the only guy

How many of these guys would have really helped OSU much that first year ? I would say no one but vonn, who would have struggled but been further along in his development.

Most of them would have been playing special teams if anything, and that has never been a weakness under meyer (unless one of these guys has a hidden skillset for kicking field goals )

A guy like Hubbard could have helped though the veterans did just fine without him (especially since Lee was a strong pass rusher as well ). Would his contributions from the bench have transformed the defense ? No. Would it have improved it ? Maybe, in a small way in certain situations.
OH10 said:
Makes redshirting seem immaterial. If a guy redshirts and he turns out to be a difference maker, he's gone in 3 years anyway. If a guy redshirts and he's not contributing, then he's taking a roster spot for an extra year. I kinda like what Harbaugh is doing (/ducks)... 5th-years aren't guaranteed.
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difference makers are not common. I'm not sure why you're singling out harbaugh for something that urban also does. Roster management is a pretty common thing these days.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Redshirting seemed particularly questionable in Powell's situation. Fickell redshirted him, and then Urban started him for 12 games as a redshirt freshman. Something doesn't add up to me there.
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Redshirting Powell isn't nearly as questionable as redshirting Lee (and I'm going to say Hubbard as well, but that remains to be seen). When you redshirt a guy who decides to leave early as a fourth year junior to be drafted late in the draft (which he is doing), that's on the player. But 9/10 times a player like Powell comes back for his fifth year. And if he did, the redshirt makes sense.

But for Lee (and perhaps Hubbard), when a third year sophomore leaves and is an early draft pick, you botched the redshirt. Complete waste.
 
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jwinslow said:
Playing a lot as a redshirt freshman does not mean they were ready a year earlier and definitely doesn't mean they should have been playing over veterans.

Eli was not ready.
Darron was wildly undersized and had to learn the position.
Marshall had an injury during camp.
Conley was not ready in year 2, so much so that Apple hobbled back out there faster than he should have.
Vonn wasn't ready to be a defensive starter (though he was contributing) but the veteran ahead of him struggled so much it was probably worth it. that was about the only guy

How many of these guys would have really helped OSU much that first year ? I would say no one but vonn, who would have struggled but been further along in his development.

Most of them would have been playing special teams if anything, and that has never been a weakness under meyer (unless one of these guys has a hidden skillset for kicking field goals )

A guy like Hubbard could have helped though the veterans did just fine without him (especially since Lee was a strong pass rusher as well ). Would his contributions from the bench have transformed the defense ? No. Would it have improved it ? Maybe, in a small way in certain situations.
difference makers are not common. I'm not sure why you're singling out harbaugh for something that urban also does. Roster management is a pretty common thing these days.
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Darron probably shouldn't have redshirted. Agree, too undersized to play defense. But he would have been a stud ST player. Shoot, half the freshmen who play only get in on ST. And they are safeties, WRs, RBs. He was big enough for ST as a true freshman.
 
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OH10 said:
I feel like some guys are going to be making bad decisions just because other guys are leaving. I don't think it hurts Ohio State. I do think it hurts a player's chance to have a long NFL career. Only 53 guys make an NFL roster. Very few players comeback after getting cut.
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I think the group mentality plays into it, especially when they see their peers finally moving on to the promised land.

That said, will Tyvis Powell look any better next year with a gutted DL and two very green LBs? Should Marshall feel optimistic about playing in a passing game that struggled badly before losing most of the line and both starting wideouts besides him ?

I think these kids are too eager to race off to the pros in spite of their draft grades but I get why it happens.


Others hit the nail on the head when they said to reload with a hungry team. This was not a hungry football team this season. They cannot afford to let that linger with such a tough schedule and Michigan rebuilding. They have the talent to rebuild, it is time to see what Weber, Samuel, hill, brown, Gibson, baugh, Jones, Prince, Hubbard, Bosa, Hill, Booker, Ward, EGW, Webb can do.

And just maybe one of the most spirited members of that star studded 13 class comes back to anchor the secondary in vonn bell
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Darron probably shouldn't have redshirted. Agree, too undersized to play defense. But he would have been a stud ST player. Shoot, half the freshmen who play only get in on ST. And they are safeties, WRs, RBs. He was big enough for ST as a true freshman.
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The special teams were very good to outstanding. Who would he have replaced ?

Too many look at these things in a vacuum with fear goggles. Well he might leave so we better play him earlier. Well does that actually help you ?

I mean, maybe if all of these guys play sooner, they work out the kinks sooner and they hold up better against Virginia tech. Or maybe they struggle and it stunts their development. Who knows.

I don't see any meaningful impact on OSU's play if they burn the redshirt for Apple, Lee, Conley. Marshall is debatable though I imagine he would have been a bit of a novelty act like Wilson was.
I think Hubbard could have helped slightly, though they already had a pure pass rusher in Marcus.

Thomas might be the one guy who should have played sooner but there were attitude and consistency issues there. In the end it seems he was right about deserving to play.
 
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OH10 said:
Not singling out Harbaugh at all. I agree with what he's doing, at least with respect to 5th years.
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As in being blunt about it ? Because he and harbaugh have been doing it for awhile with players on roster and unsigned commitments. And it isn't limited to fifth year situations that are justifiable.
 
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jwinslow said:
I think the group mentality plays into it, especially when they see their peers finally moving on to the promised land.

That said, will Tyvis Powell look any better next year with a gutted DL and two very green LBs? Should Marshall feel optimistic about playing in a passing game that struggled badly before losing most of the line and both starting wideouts besides him ?

I think these kids are too eager to race off to the pros in spite of their draft grades but I get why it happens.


Others hit the nail on the head when they said to reload with a hungry team. This was not a hungry football team this season. They cannot afford to let that linger with such a tough schedule and Michigan rebuilding. They have the talent to rebuild, it is time to see what Weber, Samuel, hill, brown, Gibson, baugh, Jones, Prince, Hubbard, Bosa, Hill, Booker, Ward, EGW, Webb can do.

And just maybe one of the most spirited members of that star studded 13 class comes back to anchor the secondary in vonn bell
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I agree with what you're saying. The team is probably better off next year if guys who want to be in the NFL take their chance rather than coming back concerned about injury. Roby comes to mind as someone who probably didn't want to be here his last year.

But I do think some of these guys can benefit from another year in a way that improves their longevity at the next level. Lee and Marshall come to mind. Two guys who were learning a new position and who do not possess great physical strength or size. But if their mind is with the NFL, then Ohio State is definitely better off with them chasing their dreams.
 
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