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Univ. of Illinois being sued over Chief Illiniwek

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gbearbuck;163206; said:
This is getting old... what really gets me is when they threaten states that they will open casino's and not pay a nickel to the states in taxes unless the states allow them to open a casino and give them a whole bunch of goodies for their taxes.

You're either equal or not... pick one and lets move on. Don't play both sides of the fense.
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I can see it now...

ILLINI PIT BOSSES
 
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Thump;163274; said:
Wonder if there would be outrage if someone was named the Kansas City Jews.

or

Boston drunken, vomiting, violent Irish.

or

Zanesville inbred, rednecks.
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I'm pissed about the use of Vikings and Norsemen. My relations stopped wearing skins a long damn time ago and I wouldn't even know where to get a helmet with horns on it...

And aren't Catholics and Episcopalians upset about Batteling Bishops?
And what Baptist wants to see a Demon deacon running around courtside?
 
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And what are they going to do about the music? Their fight song, Oskeewowwow was supposed to refelct the Illini motiff. We're Loyal to you Illinois, (Illinois Loyalty) is used like an alma matre. Can their hall of fame still call him "Red" Grange? Does this mean you can't name a state after a tribe, or use indian names... there goes Massachutteses, Connecticutt, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, Tennessee, Iowa, Kansas... only Penn State and Northwestern survive out of the Big 10.
(Much of the above written in sarcasm font)
 
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cbs.sportsline

Judge dismisses lawsuits over axing of Illinois mascot

URBANA, Ill. -- A judge on Tuesday dismissed a pair of lawsuits that claimed the University of Illinois broke state law when it shelved its American Indian mascot, Chief Illiniwek.

One of the lawsuits, filed by the two students who used to don the costumes at men's basketball and football games, had also accused the NCAA of coercing the university to drop Chief Illiniwek by imposing sanctions against its athletic teams.

Champaign County Judge Michael Jones, an Illinois graduate, said the university was within its rights when it decided in February to eliminate the chief.

Tom Hardy, a spokesman for the University of Illinois, said it expected and welcomed the decision.

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kinch;163265; said:
Some native american terms do pose problems.

For instance, the "Redskins." If it is true that the term came from the name given to scalps collected from native americans in return for bounty, bloody scalps, then having a team named the "Redskins" is as offensive as have a team named the "Lampshades" in Germany (where, or so I've heard, the skin from some concentration camp Jews was made into lampshades). Also, read the case against the Washington Redskins on this subject. All the history showed that the name was used in pure ridicule until recently.
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i highlighted the sections of your post that are problematic at best.

Some names, like the Utes, which celebrates a regional tribe, or the Braves, which celebrates a warrior (like Vikings) seem fine to me. Then it all goes to the characterization and representation. That seems to be the issue with the chief. I don't think this Illini deal is a big one. The Redskins name is. . .
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so really the arguement boils down to whether or not the name sounds "cool" or doesn't offend you personally? im sure there are many of norse heritage who do not enjoy being associated with an axe weilding, murderer, drunkard, rapist, and theif.

your notion that "redskin" refers to scalping also seems a little flawed. scalping was not an indian tradition nor were the indians the first to employ it. in fact, they were far from the only group performing the act. if i recall correctly, the french brought the practice with them from europe. redskin is synonymous with redman, which refers to skin color. not for a violent act for profit (not everyone who was scapled was killed in the process).
 
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martinss01;858863; said:
your notion that "redskin" refers to scalping also seems a little flawed.
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There is some evidence to support the claim albeit mostly apocryphal. Ironically the term has been used in such a manner by various native groups as pejorative in nature. Suzan Shown Harjo made such a claim in her lawsuit against the Washington Redskins. Even farther out on the irony scale the term most likely stems from terminology used by native groups to distinguish between themselves & white europeans.

There is more evidence supporting the claim that "red man" and similar terms were not originally derogatory in nature and rather that the opposite is the case.

martinss01;858863; said:
scalping was not an indian tradition nor were the indians the first to employ it. in fact, they were far from the only group performing the act. if i recall correctly, the french brought the practice with them from europe.
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It's likely that is a bit of historical rewriting that grew out of the backlash that took Indians in popular culture from "savages" to "peacful ecologists".

There is evidence the practice existed before the arrival of Europeans. Conversely there is little doubt that the practice grew greatly in scope because of the European practice of offering bounties.


Hmm...I think I'll wear my "Fighting Whities" shirt today.

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It's a good thing that Lions, tigers and bears, and buckeye trees can't sue for defamation oterwise we would have teams like the Cleve no names, The Detroit other people. Illinois took that name in pride and respect.
UNREAL
 
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SI.com

North Dakota to retire 'Fighting Sioux' nickname

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) -- North Dakota's Board of Higher Education decided Monday to retire the University of North Dakota's Fighting Sioux nickname by year's end in a move that anticipates lawmakers will soon repeal a law requiring the school to keep the nickname.

The board, which has eight voting members, agreed unanimously to restart the process of dumping the nickname and a logo depicting an American Indian warrior, symbols that the NCAA contends are offensive.


The decision, taken during a telephone conference call meeting, followed a session that was closed to the public, during which board members discussed their legal options with Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem and the university system's attorneys, Pat Seaworth and Cynthia Goulet.


The Legislature earlier this year approved a law that requires the board and UND to keep the nickname and logo, but Gov. Jack Dalrymple and legislative leaders have said they will ask that the measure be repealed during a legislative special session in November.

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