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Discussion in 'College Football' started by brutus2002, Sep 23, 2004.

  1. methomps

    methomps an imbecility, a stupidity without name

    Bucklion, the Pac10 has played 8 of the current top 25 teams and beaten 1 of them. I can't find a B10 team that has played a ranked team. And about your 3rd point, all 3 of those teams are ranked, so don't pretend they are your run-of-the-mill MWC or WAC team.
  2. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior

    Bucklion you need to do the Big Ten the same way so he can see it in black and white and has no argument!!!
  3. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    OK, methomps I'll leave you with this.

    I didn't say the PAC10 hasen't done anything in the past 3 years. Who's putting words into who's mouth. I said it takes 3-4 years to earn respect. If WSU hadn't lost the head coach who built the program up AND they weren't expected to be mediocre this season I'd have respect for them. If they had a long heritage of winning tradition I'd believe that they would rebound after this season and be right back where there were 3 seasons ago. This isn't the case. This is much the same attitude I apply to USC. You guys were down but have put it back together with Pete. Given your tradition, I would assume SC will continue to string together good years even if they have a bad one mixed in now and again.

    You didn't say anything specifically to me about the Big10 vs Pac10 but that's that argument you're drawing me into.

    Maybe changing the subject isn't quite the proper term. How about dropping totally unrelated information into a conversation and not giving ANY referece to it's origin. Then expecting someone to follow your train of thought.

    Sorry, wrong answer! O-fer is the number of BCS championships for the PAC10 as a whole. Oh, since you didn't follow my drift, that means you are unqualified to talk about the PAC10 conference. :lol:

    Have a good day.
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2004
  4. wstripes

    wstripes Newbie

    Purdue-Syaracuse, ball state

    Illinois-Florida A&M, UCLA, Western Mich

    Iowa-Kent State, Iowa State, ASU

    Mich-ND, Miami Oh, SDSU

    MSU-Rutgers, Cen. Mich, ND

    Minnesota-Toledo, Illinois State, COlorado State

    Northwestern-TCU, ASU, Kansas

    Ohio State=Cincinnati, Marshal, NC State

    Penn St-Akron, BC, Cen. Florida

    Wisconsin, C. Florida, UNLV, Arizona

    not real strong OCS
  5. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior

    Methomps if you don't respect NCSt. your an idiot!!!! I want any PAC-10 team to play Marshall or NCSt. and see what happens. Marshall barely got beat by three teams that are undefeated!!!!! Marshall will win the MAC conference!!

    NCSt. plays Virginia Tech so I guess we will find out how good they are.

    If you don't like what we have to say don't be stupid and knock the Big Ten on an OSU board!!!

    This isn't Bucknuts it's a private site. You can get away with this shit on Bucknuts or BSB but not here. Don't come on this board and start WWIII.

    Screw USC and the PAC-10.
  6. wstripes

    wstripes Newbie

    How many of those teams are ranked??
  7. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    Sorry stripes, spoonfeeding session ended at 5:30, you must do your own leg work now. :lol:

    Just kidding. :biggrin:
  8. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior

    Actually I have seen NCSt ranked a high as 7th by CFN. Many polls had NCSt. ranked in their pre-season top 25. From what I seen last Saturday I guarantee there isn't 25 teams better than NCSt. When their QB gets some experience they will be dangerous!!!

    Whos played a tougher schedule than Marshall? OSU,GEORGIA, and Troy...Maybe Oregon St. or BYU.
  9. wstripes

    wstripes Newbie

    LOL...this argument will be better when the season is over

    you're right about Marshall, BYU and Org St.
  10. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    Obviously stripes beat me to it...I was working on it.

    First: Mr. thomps,

    I am not pretending they are "run-of-the-mill" teams at all. However, it was brought up earlier by someone that those very teams you are trumpeting could not add any competitive advantage to the Pac 10. You can't have it both ways. My point is regarding the strength of conference that, TOP-TO-BOTTOM, if one wants to argue that the Pac 10 is one of the two best conferences in the nation say, that a team that will finish 4th, 5th, or 6th should be able to win AT LEAST ONE of those games. But they didn't, and like it or not, the Pac 10 is 0-3 against them. And I don't think that a 1-7 record against the top 25 is anything to make this argument either.

    Second: The Big 10

    Obviously, the strength of schedule leaves a lot to be desired with some teams, but given what Glen Mason and a few others schedule every year, that's not a surprise. Syracuse, Iowa State, Kansas, NCSt, BC, are all teams who are middle-of-the-pack in BCS conferences, and of course some of the other teams are pretty weak too...I have no problem admitting that, and who knows about the Golden Homers. We have ther MAC, you have the state of New Mexico and UTEP. I never said the Big Ten was superior to the Pac 10, my only point was that claiming that the Pac 10 is, TOP-TO-BOTTOM, better than the Big 10 this season is not based on any particular facts...only being a fan of whatever conference you are in.
  11. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    hey usc these numbers mean anything to you???


  12. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior


    I don't want to hear any shit about that not making a difference. It makes a big fucking diffence.

    The Big Ten as a conference will get better and better as the year rolls on. Hopefully we play in the Rose Bowl or the Orange Bowl and get to play a PAC-10 team.

    I'm fucking tired of hearing about USC. THEY ARE NOT THE #1 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY.
  13. methomps

    methomps an imbecility, a stupidity without name

    Now you're just halucinating. I haven't mentioned NCSt or Marshall in this thread. Not once.

    My argument was that the Pac10 has played 8 ranked teams compared to none for the Big10. 1-7 doesn't look good, but only 6 ranked teams have losses this year. 0-0 speaks for itself. Boise and Fresno would add nothing to the Pac10, regardless of their record this year. The Pac10 shapes its identity around being the conference of champions, not the conference of just football. Fresno doesn't even have facilities for the visiting team. The visitors have to go to the baseball field.

    I also never said the Pac10 was superior. I said they were at least as good, which means better or equal. I still don't consider that statement to be wholly unreasonable.
  14. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    its way too early to even begin to say what the best teams are.....

    in the pac ten old crosseyes, aaron rodgers and walters are three of the best qb's in the land....i give them that big time....

    in the big ten there are seven teams that all have a chance to make a real leap forward....the league is just so young....

    usc, cal and az state are all the pac ten has this year.....

    tosu, purdue, scum, minny and maybe wiscky are all the big ten has....

    edit: bowl records for the past two years are also telling:
    pac ten: 4-2
    big ten: 3-5

    big ten: 5-2
    pac ten: 2-5
  15. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ


    Fair enough on both counts, and I think you and I are virtually making the same point...I was just trying to mix in some points for the more excessive claims that were made earlier in the thread. And finally for the record, my point wasn't that Fresno and Boise should join the Pac 10...just that their football teams would be plenty competitive this season if playing in it.

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