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Urban F. Meyer (THE CLOSER)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by MD Buckeye, Aug 28, 2018.

  1. zincfinger

    zincfinger Gert Frobe-approved

    I don’t share ORD’s dislike of Tressel, but when you sign up to coach, you sign up to follow NCAA rules; not just the ones you personally determine to be non-BS.
  2. BayBuck

    BayBuck Buckeyes are best

    If JT's infractions don't keep him out of the CFB HOF -- which they didn't -- they certainly don't keep him off our imaginary Mount Rushmore of OSU FB coaches. And you're wearing blinders if you can ignore all of Tressel's off-field contributions to the University and his student-athletes over that stuff. Of course he deserved to get fired for it, but in the grand scheme of things, even just within the sport, that was small potatoes.
  3. mendensa

    mendensa Senior

    Fans pick and choose what is important to them just as the CFP committee chooses which criteria are most important to them each year. Woody, Tress and now Urban have all done wonderful things for this university. All 3 deserve to be on there IMO.
    LostLassie likes this.
  4. OH10

    OH10 *

    I’ll say it: I don’t give a shit. I’m glad he didn’t snitch on his players for some absolute bullshit. And the whole situation pretty much proved to me that there were no bagmen under Tress. If there had been, the players wouldn’t have needed to trade THEIR OWN SHIT for tattoos. They could have paid for it.

    So I’m pretty confident Tress ran a relatively clean program. The tattoo nonsense was some bad luck. He’s the best damn person who has ever been Ohio State head coach in my lifetime and I’m proud to call him a Buckeye.
  5. sammyjenkis

    sammyjenkis Junior

    Is there any difference to you then between not reporting free tatoos versus not reporting athletes killing a teammate and burying his body in the desert? In the end all that matters is the deadly sin of lying to the almighty NCAA and not the underlying infraction?
    lvbuckeye and Wadcutter like this.
  6. Dryden

    Dryden Sober as Sarkisian Staff Member Tech Admin

    What gets lost in this is that Tress got the information from the lawyer of the guy that ran the tattoo shop after he’d been pinched, so that friend of Tressels violated attorney/client privilege.

    That does not absolve J.T., but he was cornered in a situation not of his creation where he had to snitch on somebody.
    lvbuckeye likes this.
  7. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    Disagree in both cases.
  8. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    It wasn't the Apostle Tressel's job to pick and choose what rules he would and wouldn't follow. Just face it, he was a fraud and a hypocrite, was caught red handed and left in disgrace
  9. OregonBuckeye

    OregonBuckeye Semper Fi Buckeyes

    That doesn't mean he disgraced our program. Is a parking ticket the same as first degree murder? Both are violations of the law. And yeah, it does matter if it's a BS rule. The NCAA is a bad joke. It should never be a violation to sell your own property, as long as it's near market value.

    Our program will always be "disgraced" in the eyes of the media, especially espn. It's because we have an elite program that isn't financially beneficial to them. We can dig up a hell of a lot more dirt on those SEC programs and it still won't matter.
    lvbuckeye, Hstead, kujirakira and 4 others like this.
  10. OhioState001

    OhioState001 Tressel Loyalist

    You don't think Urban was involved in way more shady shit down in Florida than tattoo-gate? Really?
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  11. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    He also lied to his employer. Are there gradiations between lying about his players getting free shit and lying about them burying dead hookers? Sure, but all you're saying is that the head coach gets to decide when and to whom to lie. Is there a certain dollar value at which point he should stop lying and follow the rules? If it's free cocaine instead of tattoos is it still ok for him to lie about it?

    You can parse his actions all you want, but he made decisions that disgraced himself and the university, caused a pr black eye that makes ZS seem quaint and, for the football uber alles crowd, cost us at least one legit shot at an NC.
  12. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    Wait.....wut? I've been told that he was the most moral molder of young men. As for what went down at UF, all I can do is judge him by what's public. He was naive and weak to believe that he could turn some of those punks around with prayer circles and dinners with his family, but that's a failure of experience and judgement....not an ethical failure of cheating and lying.

    If you have additional information about what he did at UF, I'll revise my opinion accordingly.
  13. sflbuck

    sflbuck Junior

    Why don't we all go back to the thing we all agree on, Xichigan Sucks
  14. OH10

    OH10 *

    Hyperbole alert!?!

    Look, this is dumb. You’re placing NCAA rules above basic concepts of decency as if there is any overlap there. You can think Tress should have reported the free tattoos and not think it’s the biggest crime in college football. There’s a happy medium that allows you to save the outrage for the real ugly shit that goes on in college football and in the real world. Or you can choose to go way over the top, which I suppose is the path you’ve chosen. And that’s fine. Just be careful next time a university covers up rape (Notre Dame, Penn State, Michigan State) because you may not have any strong words to use... because you used them all on Jim Tressel.
    TS10HTW, Hstead, OHSportsFan and 7 others like this.
  15. buckeyeintn

    buckeyeintn Senior

    Then a coach who knowingly gave money to players and whose actions caused the NCAA to put the school on probation is an embarrassment to the school and has no place on tOSU Mt. Rushmore? Or do those rules only apply to Tressel because he is outspoken about his Christian faith and you have a tremendous bias?
    Because Wayne Woodrow Hayes did exactly that. Under the circumstances, I believe what he did was the right thing. However, the university ended up on probation because of his actions. Based on your logic (or lack thereof) he should have been tarred and feathered (before being quartered).
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2018
    lvbuckeye, kujirakira, OH10 and 5 others like this.

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