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Urban F. Meyer (Former OSU, CFB and NFL coach)

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kippy1040 said:
Also we know that every opponent who prepares to play us they act as if the game is THIER National Championship game. It has been that was for years.
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This is true. Just as it is with every team that plays the Alabamas, Clemsons and the like. The problem comes when we don't prepare for the Iowas and Purdues like it's our National Championship game. Both coaches and players.
 
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Meyer also went 9-4 and 8-5 during his Florida run. He likely won't lose more than two games a year for the seven years he's been at tOSU. If 14-1 or 13-2 seasons are making anyone unhappy, then maybe that person needs to look at the decade long drought in Texas - or the forever drought in Nebraska and Tennessee.

These are epic good times for Buckeye fans. Losing a game to a Purdue sucks, I get it. But in the bigger picture, things can go south quicker - and last way longer than you think. We have the state of Florida for recruiting, and we've still had suckage and three coaches since our last BCSC.

Just enjoy the time you have with Urban for God's sake. :oh:
 
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Gatorubet said:
Meyer also went 9-4 and 8-5 during his Florida run. He likely won't lose more than two games a year for the seven years he's been at tOSU. If 14-1 or 13-2 seasons are making anyone unhappy, then maybe that person needs to look at the decade long drought in Texas - or the forever drought in Nebraska and Tennessee.

These are epic good times for Buckeye fans. Losing a game to a Purdue sucks, I get it. But in the bigger picture, things can go south quicker - and last way longer than you think. We have the state of Florida for recruiting, and we've still had suckage and three coaches since our last BCSC.

Just enjoy the time you have with Urban for God's sake. :oh:
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I’ll give you that 9-4 (w/ loss to UM in Capital One Bowl), but that 8-5 was on the downside. It does give perspective though. I have to assume the fatal flaws are the same (reluctance to change until it’s too late, reliance on the same playbook, stubbornness with upperclassmen) but he also didn’t have the proven staff (at least at OC and DC) that he has at Ohio State.
 
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Gatorubet said:
Meyer also went 9-4 and 8-5 during his Florida run. He likely won't lose more than two games a year for the seven years he's been at tOSU. If 14-1 or 13-2 seasons are making anyone unhappy, then maybe that person needs to look at the decade long drought in Texas - or the forever drought in Nebraska and Tennessee.

These are epic good times for Buckeye fans. Losing a game to a Purdue sucks, I get it. But in the bigger picture, things can go south quicker - and last way longer than you think. We have the state of Florida for recruiting, and we've still had suckage and three coaches since our last BCSC.

Just enjoy the time you have with Urban for God's sake. :oh:
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I'm angsty now because the rivalry is looming large and we look completely lost 8 games in.
Win that and it's all water under the bridge.
Preferably deny them the division title and trip to Indy in the process - but that leaves no room for error.
 
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The more I read different points and opinions, the more I think Meyer is a coach in transition who can't quite get a handle on what the ever-changing styles in football mean for his personal scheme and preferences.

After Oklahoma last year, there was a lot of talk from other coaches about Meyer's offense being in crisis. I think he heard that even prior to 2017, but doesn't know how to fully implement everything that needs to be done without going through a rebuild phase. See 2015. Same goes for the defense. And the result is a team that seems unsure of itself and has slip ups that result in blowouts like Purdue, Iowa, and Clemson. This program is not going to compete with Alabama or Clemson until Meyer knows exactly what he wants to be moving forward.

My (limited) optimism says that Meyer will figure this out, and sooner rather than later. He's a great coach, has had a ton of success, and has some of the best offensive minds in CFB in the room with him. Just needs to have a final push and let go of his past offense
 
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TS10HTW said:
Please. Stop making questionable hires.
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This right here is the problem.

Urban needs to reevaluate how he handles his assistant coach searches. He's swung and missed BADLY too many times in the last few years and it's killing us. It's not an accident that OL, LB, DB went from strengths to weaknesses.

Additionally, he needs to be more willing to tell his assistants to make adjustments. I'm so damn tired of waiting until we lose to make an adjustment. What happened Saturday wasn't anything new, we've had these problems since week 1. Change the scheme, or the personnel, or the playcalling, or whatever. Stop waiting until it's too late. If an issue lingers for weeks, it's time for an adjustment.
 
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Back in 2009, Ohio State lost to USC at home 18-15. People were going off the deep end talking about how the shine had worn off Tress and he needed to pack his bags. I wrote a piece on who would you prefer to replace Tress with... here's what I had to say about Meyer, in the context of Tress' losing "big games" As it happens, Meyer's losses at Ohio State aren't all that surprising as compared to his historical performance:

Urban Meyer

Let's look at another guy who there's little question is at the top of the current "who's the best coach" list. He's won two titles at Florida in two chances. He's running an exciting offense, and even the defense is stout. Making matters even better for Buckeye fans, Meyer has Ohio ties and might actually give some serious consideration to the job, though I'm dubious that he'd take it. In any case, there's little question those calling for Tressel's head, if they're not thinking about Pete Carrol, are thinking about Urban Meyer.

Date........Rk..Team........Rec...Score...Rk...Tea m.......Score
09-27-2008..NR..Ole Miss...(9-4)....31....#4...Florida.....30
01-01-2008..NR..Michigan...(9-4)....41....#12..Florida.....35
10-27-2007.#18..Georgia...(11-2)....42....#11..Florida.....30
10-06-2007..#1..LSU.......(12-2)....28.....#9..Florida.....24
09-29-2007..NR..Auburn.....(9-4)....20.....#4..Florida.....17
10-14-2006.#11..Auburn....(11-2)....27.....#2..Florida.....17
11-12-2005..NR..South Car..(7-5)....30....#12..Florida.....22
10-15-2005.#10..LSU.......(11-2)....21....#11..Florida.....17
10-01-2005.#15..Alabama...(10-2)....31.....#5..Florida......3
10-25-2003..NR..New Mexico.(8-5)....47....#24..Utah........35
09-06-2003..NR..Texas A&M..(4-8)....26.....NR..Utah........26
11-30-2002..NR..Toledo.....(9-5)....42.....NR..BGSU........24
11-16-2002..NR..South Fl...(9-2)....29.....NR..BGSU.........7
11-09-2002..NR..N. Ill.....(8-4)....26....#20..BGSU........17

Total Losses: 14 (Florida only: 7)
Losses to Top 5 team: 1 (Florida only: 1)
Losses to Top 25 team: 5 (Florida only: 5)
Losses to Unranked Team: 9 (Florida only: 4)
Losses to Unranked Team when Ranked: 6 (Florida only: 4)
Losses to Unranked Team when Ranked in Top 10: 2 (Florida only: 2)
Losses to Unranked Team when Ranked in Top 5: 2 (Florida only: 2)
Losses to team with losing record: 1 (Florida only: 0)

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Meyer's got one less loss since 2002 than does Tressel. Meyer is also 12 years younger than Tressel, suggesting that he'd be available to coach a good long while. There's not much argument that he's been successful at the highest level in as much as he's the only guy with two Crystal footballs on his mantle. Ohio State, should it ever succeed in gaining Meyer's coaching services could surely do much, much, MUCH worse.

But, here we see again, the propensity to loose game he shouldn't. 64% of all Meyer losses come to unranked opponents, a trend only slightly more improved at Florida, 57%. Only 1 of the teams he's lost to was rated in the top 5. One. As with Carrol, it is again noted that big game successes are not evaluated here, but it looks like Florida fans have the likelihood to have the rug swept out from under them by some "unknown" and I'm not sure that's a whole lot easier to deal with than losing to the #3 team in the country 18-15.

I see an "embarrassing loss" up there as well, 31-3 #15 Alabama over #5 Florida, and a loss to a 4-8 team while at Utah. But again, that loss to Bama came years ago and has, no doubt, been erased from memory considering the 2 crystal footballs, and Florida fans have no need to think about the Utah TAMU game. One has to wonder also how Meyer benefited from the SEC Championship game in 2006, which he entered at #4 behind USC and Michigan. Consider also that Michigan had already lost to #1 Ohio State (USC dropped the game mentioned above to UCLA) Without the SEC Championship, does Florida qualify? Hard to say.

In any case, Buckeye fans, is losing "big games" really so bad? Would it be better if Ohio State beat USC and then lost to Illinois, ending your hopes of a Title anyway? Remember 1995? Ohio State beat two highly rated teams in Notre Dame and Penn State - back to back - and still tanked against a 9-4 Michigan. How'd that feel? Want that back?

Let's not also forget, Meyer wouldn't bring with him the "SEC Hype" and thus one loss at Ohio State doesn't keep you in the championship hunt the same way it might be "OK" in the SEC.

Now, all that said, Meyer is probably the most "sound" choice as a guy to replace Tressel. He's young, he's good, he's proven he can be (is) successful, and he even knows what football in Ohio is like having been at Bowling Green State University. I'm just not sure he's materially different than Jim Tressel. While he certainly would bring some good, there's some bad up there too. I must note, again, however, big game successes might significantly offset those blemishes - particularly in Meyer's case.
 
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Good post @Buckeyeskickbuttocks. I think the difference between Meyer and Tressel is that Meyer's ceiling is still much, much higher due to Meyer's recruiting success. Tressel was generally amazing at beating the teams he should but, when it came time to playing teams like USC, Florida, LSU, that story was pretty much already written because of the significant gulf in talent. There's legit only one team in the country more talented than Ohio State and, according to some composite recruiting rankings, the Buckeyes might actually have more raw talent now than Alabama does. If Meyer's only flaw was that he occasionally loses to teams he shouldn't because of some weird fluke shit that happens or the team just didn't bring it one week, I can roll with that. It's a long season and shit happens. Plus with the CFP you're generally allowed one mulligan.
 
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