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USC/Tenn Recruiting and Ethics

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MililaniBuckeye said:
Four words:

1.) Phil
2.) Fullmer
3.) Cha
4.) Ching
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I couldn't agree more. Anyone else think it's merely coincidence that Tennessee's in on almost every recruit (and their brother!) the year after they diverted the NCAA from investigating their program to instead investigating Alabama (who were really the only SEC program buying recruits, right?!?)? For a few years there wasn't much noise from Fat Phil, either in games (esp. bowl games) or recruiting, but now he's back, with a bang. Very suspicious.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Four words:

1.) Phil
2.) Fullmer
3.) Cha
4.) Ching
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As the pot calls the kettle black, at this point. Remember which program's under heat for paying football player(s) illegally right now. Not saying it's Tress's fault but I also happen to know that none of us have proof of fat Phil's involvment in paying these athletes right now. I'd also venture a guess to say taht we didn't look into the allegations at UTenn like we look into what's going on over here in Buckeye land. IIRC, I had seen more than one Vol posting that they went through a VERY similar situation with ESPN that we're going through.

At least on McCoy... it more sounded like his parents/outside influences convincing him that he'd have a better future at UTenn. Sadly enough, UTenn doesn't produce LBs like OSU, so we can safely say it's not because of tradition/talent. I'd say we lost McCoy more because of MoC, that and the ruling that kept him from being outside the spotlight and without cash for a while. At least a whole lot more than money,[tongue in cheek] because we can dish out the dollars with the best of them. [/tongue in cheek]
 
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As the pot calls the kettle black, at this point. Remember which program's under heat for paying football player(s) illegally right now.
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Please read what the NCAA is saying and stop listenitng to ESPN Faux-type new reporting. OSU is NOT 'under heat' from the NCAA. Rather they are being praised by the NCAA - conformance to whose rules is the very issue.

Sorry - we are hijacking the thread again.

We have a chance with Gwaltney but unfortunately - as is the case with most recruiting decisions where mature reflection is so important - the ultimate choice will be made by a teenager.
 
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As far as recruiting, OSU can't hang with USC right now. Period.

The only thing that we can hope for is that he takes a long look at the depth chart and also takes a look at Pete's history.

When USC was still in it for Maurice Wells, Pete told Maurice that if he committed that he would be the ONLY back that USC took in this class. Now Maurice and Jason are two completely different backs and the fact that USC was recruiting Wells first tells me that that's the direction that they want to keep going (Reggie Bush type backs).

It almost seems to me that USC has the luxury right now of recruiting kids simply to keep them from going to other schools (just like back in the day). They are so loaded at every position that they can afford to do this from time to time. I understand that this is next to impossible with the number of scholarships available, but Gwaltney just doesn't fit USC's offensive mindset (unless he wants to play fullback, and I doubt that he wants to do that). Who knows?
 
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ysubuck said:
As far as recruiting, OSU can't hang with USC right now. Period.

The only thing that we can hope for is that he takes a long look at the depth chart and also takes a look at Pete's history.

When USC was still in it for Maurice Wells, Pete told Maurice that if he committed that he would be the ONLY back that USC took in this class. Now Maurice and Jason are two completely different backs and the fact that USC was recruiting Wells first tells me that that's the direction that they want to keep going (Reggie Bush type backs).

It almost seems to me that USC has the luxury right now of recruiting kids simply to keep them from going to other schools (just like back in the day). They are so loaded at every position that they can afford to do this from time to time. I understand that this is next to impossible with the number of scholarships available, but Gwaltney just doesn't fit USC's offensive mindset (unless he wants to play fullback, and I doubt that he wants to do that). Who knows?
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Can't hang with SC? Are you serious? Take a look at who has come to OSU over the Tressel years, who's verballed this year and say that again. You may think SC wins the battle, but it isn't by much, if at all. Would you give back Devon Lyons to get Fred Davis? Do you think Dwayne Jarrett is better than TGII? SC gets studs, no question, but to say OSU isn't "Hanging" with them is too much.

I think SC is the flavor of the year, for sure, though. Pete can pick an choose who he wants. I think that's probably what you meant, now that I think about it.

I agree that JG doesn't look like the feature back in SC's offense. But, LenDale White isn't really a Reggie Bush back either, and he seems to fit in just fine. I don't know JG at all, but going from NY to Cali may be a factor - a la Jarrett - I know that Ohio State football enjoys some popularity in the North East, so maybe that will factor in. You're also right about the depth chart. If JG wants a shot early, our lack of depth at the moment sure would be a selling point. "Hey, you want to play early? Beat out these guys and it's yours."
 
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ysubuck said:
When USC was still in it for Maurice Wells, Pete told Maurice that if he committed that he would be the ONLY back that USC took in this class. Now Maurice and Jason are two completely different backs and the fact that USC was recruiting Wells first tells me that that's the direction that they want to keep going (Reggie Bush type backs).
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We cooled on Wells a long time ago, so it isn't like Gwaltney is our backup plan now that we lost Wells. Pete called JG an hour after the Orange bowl. I think that shows how interested he is in landing this kid. Lendale White is our leading rusher, so we definitely have a fit for those big backs.
 
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BGriffBuckeye said:
I am not real familiar with wstripes... he is to USC what HH is to us?
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My experience has been that if he gives some info on a USC recruit, he is pretty dead on...

methomps said:
We cooled on Wells a long time ago, so it isn't like Gwaltney is our backup plan now that we lost Wells. Pete called JG an hour after the Orange bowl. I think that shows how interested he is in landing this kid. Lendale White is our leading rusher, so we definitely have a fit for those big backs.
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Did USC cool on Marlon Lucky before he committed to Nebraska? If that sounds like I am being a smartass I don't mean it to be...I am just curious as to who their, forgive me for saying, #1 target at RB has been...
 
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I think Lucky was never going to pan out with his grades. Would he have been our #1? I don't know.

Gwaltney will be great for whoever he chooses. Wells will be great for OSU and would've been great at USC. Is it Wednesday yet?
 
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For the past few years, USC has been amazing in recruiting...obviously. Schools like Tennessee, Texas, Iowa, etc will find an amazing class every few years or for a period of a few years. However, there is something to be said for consistency. Every year, tOSU recruits well as it is one of a handful of programs that recruits itself. Even in the midst of a slew of garbage allegations, JT has pulled in an impressive list of future Buckeyes. IMO, that speaks volumes about the status of the program. I'd rather focus on who we get rather than who we lose.

Besides USC and scUM, what other traditional power actually rivals our consistency in recruiting year in and year out?

Miami? Believe it or not, football was played before 1983.

FSU? Bowden is slipping without his arsenal of bright young coaches.

Bama? Still staggering from violations but slowly regaining form.

PSU? Best class in a few years, but not good enough to return to prominence.

Nebraska? 5-6 this year with a few more years to get the personnel needed for Callahan's scheme.

Florida is a real possibility to become a power, but Urban has to prove he can survive the toughest conference in CFB.

I'll take our consistency every year over some flash in the pan roller coaster ride of a program.

Just my opinion though.
 
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I can sum up Tenn's success: desert.

I know a guy who goes to Tenn, worked with him during his Christmas vacation 2 years ago. He asked this d-lineman there what made him choose Tenn over the other schools in which he'd been interested. Allegedly, the D-lineman, (I didn't ask who), told the guy that when he visited, he had lunch with the coach. There was a buffet set up for the two of them, and when he got to the deserts, right beside the cake and pie was a plate of $100 bills (over 10 thousand dollars' worth). When D-lineman sat down, the coach asked him what he thought of the desert. D-lineman told the coach that it looked good. The coach told D-lineman that he could take that home with him if he decided to play ball for his team and there would be more desert later. D-lineman said okay, and when they'd finished eating, coach left, and D-lineman picked up the 'desert'.

True or not, the guy I spoke with had no reason to lie to me. He was attempting to tell me that this stuff goes on everywhere, as we were discussing the then new controversy surrounding MoC. It didn't make me any happier then, but it supports MililaniBuckeye's theory now..
 
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