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USC Trojans (official thread)

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Taosman, Jul 1, 2007.

  1. Taosman

    Taosman In The Pizza Portal

    You would think that by the love given USC and their amazing recruiting classes every year(according to the media), and their amazing coach, that they wouldn't have lost a single ball game the pass 4-5 years. When in fact their record says otherwise. And they are heavily favored to go undefeated this year.
    So, what's the problem?

    Are their recruits being over rated?
    Is their coach over rated?
    Is their conference tougher than thought of by many?
    Are we all just drinking the USC koolaid?
     
  2. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    There has been something of a media lovefest for USC the past few years, but if they manage to go undefeated this year, they will have earned their spot in the BCS Championship Game. Their home schedule isn't bad at all, but they play these 6 road games this year:

    09-15 at Nebraska
    09-29 at Washington
    10-20 at Notre Dame
    10-27 at Oregon
    11-10 at Cal
    11-22 at Ariz St.
     
  3. Deety

    Deety Ain't nothin' gonna breaka my stride Staff Member

    Going undefeated isn't a realistic point to start measuring greatness... USC seems to be doing just fine right now.
     
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  4. ant80

    ant80 Think less, feel more.

    USC seems to land most recruits they go after, and consistently year after year. I am not sure that has ever happened in CFB history to any one team over a stretch of several years. I have heard Coop used to do it, and FSU used to do it in the mid 90's, but nobody has the ability to attract players to positions where they are already loaded. I think that is what makes them such a media darling.

    In any given year, a lot of things need to happen to go undefeated. Luck is one of them. In addition, success breeds contempt. That is extremely dangerous. How many times have we come this close to winning a NC (and would've probably done it) and came up short because of lack of preparation or overconfidence, or the ball bouncing the other way? IMO 1969, 1970, 1975, 2006, just to name a few. The same goes for USC as well. They were outsmarted by who will probably be named the athelete of the decade in 2005, and got overconfident against UCLA last year. They came back strong against scUM though.

    There are several things I like about USC and Carrol. One is that I heard they have a practice every week where the starters have to win the job over. After the UCLA game, their OT who got clobbered, was bumped down to the second team. He had to win the position back during the next practice. That makes the players that much more competitive. As long as something like that is going on, I don't see them being humiliated like we were against UF. And this might be the primary reason why they attract top recruits year in and year out.

    I heard that we went to two-a-days after new year because the coaches thought they'd lost the team. I don't know whether that was true, butif it was true, I have to question myself if the coaches' philosophy was appropriate in motivating the players.

    During a game last year, a commentator mentioned that Carrol was the only coach he know that would run down the field during a kick return practice. He is that competitive.

    Also look at the # of returning seniors for USC this year. USC could've had several juniors go pro. Only Jarrett did. Carrol actively engaged them to return for another year with the intention of going for a NC. Look at 2005. After the quarterback and the two RBs decided to leave, PC didn't actively ask juniors to return, and a lot of players went pro. I even think that he might've actively enrouraged them to go pro. JT on the other hand, IMO doesn't encourage players to return or leave. He looks at what's good for the players, and encourages them to make their own decision. There are positives and negatives on both areas, but PC's actions tend to leave them really "raw" in several positions in one year, and then have a really good year, or two. Ours, we will need to fill in for some positions every year. The bottomline, IMO is that PC is a cut-throat coach. He knows his job is to win games, win conference championships and win NC's. He optimizes his actions accordingly.

    Lastly, a lot of people tend to understate the importance of USC's recruiting powers. IMO PC is just as good a coach as JT, but a better recruiter. Considering the results they've had, I'll say he's a pretty good evaluator of talent as well. It is true that there can only be 11 people in the field at one time, but you don't get better during games. You get better during practice, and USC has better competition during practice due to recruiting. What's more alarming to me is that they don't seem to have a "down" year in recruiting, so far. Case in point, we have a seemingly great OL haul this year, but USC might actually be on the way to match it.

    Scout and Rivals are not the be-all end-all of recruiting, and I recognize that. But they are more often correct than wrong. Admittedly recruiting is an inexact science, but let's play the numbers. I heard somewhere that 15% of 5-star players end up spectacular, around 50% tend to be solid players, and the remaining just fizzle out. I think that is correct. But for 4-star players, the probability of being great or solid will be less. For a 3-star, even less. Sure, we should trust JT, but it isn't as if he is getting every recruit he's ever gone after. Remember, last year was a down year for us in recruiting. We needed more than just one OL last year, and we ended up with one whose only other major offer was Pitt. PC has a lot of negative qualities with recruiting, possibly including lying to recruits. But nice guys finish last, and IMO, JT is too nice for my liking in this department.

    This is what I think at this time. There is definitely a possibility that I could be wrong in my assessment, depending on how USC does in the next few years under PC. I, for one, am eagerly awaiting the day when he retires (IMO he doesn't leave CFB). Let the flaming begin.
     
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  5. methomps

    methomps an imbecility, a stupidity without name

    09-15 at Nebraska Silent win
    09-29 at Washington Silent win
    10-20 at Notre Dame Silent win
    10-27 at Oregon Silent win
    11-10 at Cal Silent win
    11-22 at Ariz St. Silent win
     
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  6. Deety

    Deety Ain't nothin' gonna breaka my stride Staff Member

    :slappy:
     
  7. stxbuck

    stxbuck Woody wore Sambas

    Uh, USC recruits really, really well, and, for the most part, Pete Carroll utilizes that talent to the fullest. The Trojans are not unbeatable, but they have been the most consistently talented team across the board for the last 5 or so years, and their level of play reflects that. Losing 1 or 2 games doesn't mean you aren't a hell of football team-the Colts were a Wild Card team last year-losses occasionally happen, even to championship caliber teams.
    There is no media bias or kool-aid drinking, the Trojans have been the best team on paper the last few years, and have generally lived up to expectations. Do I like them-no. Would I like to see them lose-yes. Do Pete Carroll's recruiting classes live up to expectations-yes.
     
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  8. EastSide

    EastSide Banned

    Southern Cal has ALWAYS been awesome and has recruited unbelievably. It is the Disneyland effect. Same with Florida Colleges. The Big 3 in Florida share the same that USC and UCLA share. They will always do well because Palm Trees, Sun and Sand are more appealling than Pine Trees, Tornados and dirt. Since not EVERYONE is recruited to go to these schools all the rest of the country can have football teams. Normally the rest play with heart and the Florida and Cali scholls play with skill. Then you have your midwest schools that often have a mix of the two heart and skill.

    There is nothing anyone can do to alter the Disneyland effect. The only thing that could alter this phenomenom is continental drift, when the Pacific plates shifts causing Cali to become an Island and Florida converges into Georgia. Until then USC, UCLA, and The Florida schools will be the most appealling for College bound football stars.
     
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  9. Bob.Barker

    Bob.Barker Remember to have your pets spayed and neutered.

    Finishing 4, 1, 1, 2, 4 over 5 years is underachieving? :atom:
    This idea of yours that USC is not having great success, or that NCAA Football is as simple as it's EA counterpart once recruits are landed.
    Being the preseason favorite does not mean they are heavily favored to go undefeated. Most CFB fans, and especially bookies... realize what a difficult task that is, regardless of how they look on paper.
     
  10. Zurp

    Zurp I have misplaced my pants.

    Going undefeated is a feat that goes beyond coaching, recruits, players, and even pants. You need a certain amount of luck, too. And I'd guess that USC has gotten a lot of luck.

    But in the occasional game that they've lost over the past 4-5 years, they've gotten unlucky, and lost. I think that instead of comparing USC to the mythical "undefeated", you need to compare them to other teams during the same time period. My guess is that it would show that they've been whooping everyone else like something PETA would get pissed off about.
     
  11. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    I get your point, but it hasn't always been that way. Here Indeed, Florida schools used to completely suck ass. 1950 - 1985
    1950 - 1980
     
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  12. Gatorubet

    Gatorubet Loathing All Things Georgia

    While the UF #25 ranking was what it was, it hardly seems "suck ass", as Michigan and Ohio State are the only historic Big-10 teams ahead of UF. If UF at #25 is suck ass, that would make 8 of the historic Big 10 schools even more suck ass, which would make you the Big-2 and 8 Suck Asses Conference. :biggrin:

    OTOH, FSU and Miami are suck ass, no matter what their records...
     
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  13. NFBuck

    NFBuck Total Coverage.

    USC's pretty good.:nerd:
     
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  14. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Well, the ranking puts Fla with Michigan St. So.. yeah... that's "Suck ass" to me. Not to mention, Florida went winless for a season as recently as 1979. Ohio State has never been winless.
     
  15. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    Wait til Notre Dame finds out Nebraska is Petey's #1 win.
     

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