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martinss01
blissfully stupid
Taosman;1501507; said:
not particularly sure where you are going with this thread. have a map or something i could borrow? "you are here" maybe?
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mooktarr;1501846; said:I suggest a prison on the moon. we could fly them up there and leave them. Sort of like a fly em and forget em.
Are you insane?
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
they spent 4b each year for 9 years to put a man on the moon.
The Other Moon Walk - The Numbers
my math has that at 36b
current 2010 budget is 19b
if you take the old nasa numbers you get something very interesting
between 1963 and 1938 you get 2007 nominal numbers of 24-33.5b and 1969 numbers of 21b.
nasa had during the apollo era 34k employees and about 375k contractors (industrial, unversity based, etc).
it would have been much better than 787b "stimulus" that we saw. and for those of you who question the stimulating effect or concept behind the moon mission keep in mind it was made during the recession of 1960 which was less than two years after the recession of 1958
The Other Moon Walk - The Numbers
my math has that at 36b
current 2010 budget is 19b
if you take the old nasa numbers you get something very interesting
between 1963 and 1938 you get 2007 nominal numbers of 24-33.5b and 1969 numbers of 21b.
nasa had during the apollo era 34k employees and about 375k contractors (industrial, unversity based, etc).
it would have been much better than 787b "stimulus" that we saw. and for those of you who question the stimulating effect or concept behind the moon mission keep in mind it was made during the recession of 1960 which was less than two years after the recession of 1958
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
Taosman;1501983; said:Threads develop a life of their own. Think with your dipstick,martin!
This is one part monument to the audacity of the undertaking. And another discussing the philosophy and benefits of "Why?"
... so you started a thread with no purpose or direction with the singular desire to see if you could get the monkeys to dance? ah... well in that case.. carry on.
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jimotis4heisman;1501993; said:
Unlike federal government, most by-products of NASA initiatives are beneficial to humankind.
Did I say that out loud?
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
After the Shuttle?
NASA's planned replacement for the remaining three space shuttles -- Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavour -- is going to look familiar to those who grew up watching the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions. Borrowing from the past, the next generation of NASA-run spaceflights -- dubbed the Constellation program -- will have a crew capsule atop a rocket, though the capsule design known as Orion will have more-advanced communications, navigation and other technology than its 1960s forerunners. The rocket that will put Orion into orbit is called Ares I. Although much of the work is being done in-house at NASA's research centers, private firms Boeing Co., Alliant Techsystems subsidiary ATK Thiokol of Brigham City, Utah, and Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne of Canoga Park, Calif., are the major contractors for Ares I. Lockheed Martin Corp. is the prime contractor for the crew vehicle.
But the Ares I rocket and the Orion module won't be ready for launch until 2014. Even meeting that deadline will depend on the space agency's being able to preserve its budget in the face of competing demands from defense (both during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and in rebuilding the military afterward), health care, Social Security and other pressing concerns. Until then, NASA will have to rely on Russian rockets to send its astronauts into orbit. "It's going to be an embarrassing time for the U.S.," says J.P. Stevens, vice president for space systems at the Aerospace Industries Association.
The next phase of Constellation will be the design and construction of a much larger launch vehicle known as the Ares V. As envisioned, the Ares V would carry with it all the additional supplies a manned lunar mission might require. Once both are in orbit, the Orion capsule would rendezvous and dock with the Ares V, and the joint spacecraft would proceed to the moon. Under the effort outlined by President Bush, resuming lunar missions would be the first step toward envisioned manned missions to Mars.
The earliest the new lunar missions could conceivably take place would be in 2020. But again, competing budget pressures are likely to push back that timetable. And politics is also intruding into the mix. "Now that Democrats have recaptured Congress, no one is interested in finding funding for Bush's initiative," says Alex Roland, professor of history at Duke University and a former chief historian of NASA. The odds are that, long before another American sets foot on the moon, China's "taikonauts" will get there first. The China National Space Administration is already on track to send an unmanned mission to the moon by 2010.
http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/after_space_shuttle_070713.html
NASA's planned replacement for the remaining three space shuttles -- Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavour -- is going to look familiar to those who grew up watching the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions. Borrowing from the past, the next generation of NASA-run spaceflights -- dubbed the Constellation program -- will have a crew capsule atop a rocket, though the capsule design known as Orion will have more-advanced communications, navigation and other technology than its 1960s forerunners. The rocket that will put Orion into orbit is called Ares I. Although much of the work is being done in-house at NASA's research centers, private firms Boeing Co., Alliant Techsystems subsidiary ATK Thiokol of Brigham City, Utah, and Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne of Canoga Park, Calif., are the major contractors for Ares I. Lockheed Martin Corp. is the prime contractor for the crew vehicle.
But the Ares I rocket and the Orion module won't be ready for launch until 2014. Even meeting that deadline will depend on the space agency's being able to preserve its budget in the face of competing demands from defense (both during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and in rebuilding the military afterward), health care, Social Security and other pressing concerns. Until then, NASA will have to rely on Russian rockets to send its astronauts into orbit. "It's going to be an embarrassing time for the U.S.," says J.P. Stevens, vice president for space systems at the Aerospace Industries Association.
The next phase of Constellation will be the design and construction of a much larger launch vehicle known as the Ares V. As envisioned, the Ares V would carry with it all the additional supplies a manned lunar mission might require. Once both are in orbit, the Orion capsule would rendezvous and dock with the Ares V, and the joint spacecraft would proceed to the moon. Under the effort outlined by President Bush, resuming lunar missions would be the first step toward envisioned manned missions to Mars.
The earliest the new lunar missions could conceivably take place would be in 2020. But again, competing budget pressures are likely to push back that timetable. And politics is also intruding into the mix. "Now that Democrats have recaptured Congress, no one is interested in finding funding for Bush's initiative," says Alex Roland, professor of history at Duke University and a former chief historian of NASA. The odds are that, long before another American sets foot on the moon, China's "taikonauts" will get there first. The China National Space Administration is already on track to send an unmanned mission to the moon by 2010.
http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/after_space_shuttle_070713.html
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CCI;1501844; said:
You aren't going to get an "unsecured" tour at Wright Pitiful much less anywhere else that is a military installation.
Besides why not go to Area 2 or Area 5 or Area 18? There are more "area" designations than just Area 51. I don't have a clue (or care) what is at any of them, but the whole "Area 51" thing is amusing.
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