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So this is where all the guys that actually lift and played football hang out.

I do not lift heavy weights anymore.

I think you are all right in one sense. You need to lift heavy to get stronger. You also need to do reps to build mass and endurance.

A one rep max is usually a gauge of your progress.

Coxew

As someone with a 38" sleeve and a 36" inseam I could never lift as much as the smaller guys. But if you measured how far I pushed the weights I was doing more work than most of them.

You have to be strong and fast but as we have seen football skills usually trump the speed and strength guys. Coaching goes a long way also.
 
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Bucknola, I'd differ with you (I think) in just one respect - you're comment on the need of reps to build mass. In my view, mass (as well as power) is best built in the low rep/high weight sets, whereas endurance and definition are best crafted in the high rep/low weight sets. One problem is, without a spotter, it's dangerous and difficult to do the former.
 
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Zinc

Most body builders do not lift heavy weights to get the mass. It ain't light mind you but it is not near the max range. They are the ones that really brought the pyramiding training routine to the forefront.

Most power lifters while big do not have the muscle mass the body builders do. The power guys I know all lift heavy all the time, not a lot of reps. The strength / speed clinic we have at the club really stresses the power moves. They have it spray painted on the wall, lifting heavy makes you strong not pretty, strong wins games. It is something along those lines.

Of course this does not take into effect genetics, diet, rest, supplements and attitude.
 
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Nola, I don't disagree with any of your comments. The one addition I would make is this: the power lifters have the mass, they just don't have the definition, and for that reason the mass doesn't look as impressive. In my experience, the endurance sets give a good cut, and they add some power and mass, but it's the power sets that really add on body weight.
 
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...However, you wouldn't do it like that if you were trying to max out. In that case, you'd do one set of very light weight, just to stretch the muscle and get your blood flowing, but without causing signficant fatigue, and then go right at your max target weight. Otherwise, you're eaither going to tire yourself out before maxing, or set yourself up for an injury.
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It depends on the pyramid itself. When I was lifting pretty regularly about 6-8 months ago (before laying off lifting to focus on the triathlon I just did), I would start with 10-12 reps at 225, do 6-7 at 275, 2-3 at 315, and then shoot for a single at 330-335. There's no way in hell that I'd try to jump from the warm-up set at 225 right to the 330 max...no way. That's exactly where you get the muscle tears and other injuries. Pyramiding with one set at each level going up to the max not only gives your muscles some extra reps to get loose and get the blood more into the affected muscles, but it also better prepares them for the shock of the heavy lift. Doing only one set of reps at each step going up also keeps the muscles from getting too tired prior to the max attempt. As few years back when I was doing around 350 max, I did try the "jump right to my max after a warm-up set" method one time and ended up tweaking my left shoulder...never again.
 
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I suppose each has his own approach, but for me, if I'm trying to produce my absolute best maximum lift, I'm not going to fully pyramid up to it, because there will be some fatigue that results from that pyramid and which detracts from my power at the end.

That being said, I do consider a maxout to be a slightly dangerous exercise, in terms of injury potential, relative to the routine strength-building pyramid approach.

By the way, how is that polynesian punani?
 
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I lift 5x a week with a comparable (to me) partner who several years ago was huge. When doing the flat bench, we use dumbells most of the time. What is your opinion on this? I find that I get more from it because I always have to control the weight more. Agree? Disagree?

By the way Mili, are we still the biggest MF truck on the road?
 
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