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When will Welfare just go away!!

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by Thump, Jul 6, 2004.

  1. Thump

    Thump Hating the environment since 1994

    I'm so sick of the free hand outs the govt. gives that I could just puke. How about these people get off their butts amd look for a job. They obsiously have time to drive to the store to pick up cigarettes and booze so they must have time ro pick up job applications!


    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!:mad1: :mad1: :mad1: :mad1: :mad1:
     
  2. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri Don’t Come Around Here No More....

    My dad used to have a saying:

    "Nobody owes you anything, you have to pick yourself up by your bootstraps and make your way in life."

    This could probably go in the Cosby thread as well....
     
  3. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    it should be federal law that going on welfare results in castration/sterilization before the first check is collected....this will help to rid society of this gene pool....
     
  4. gbearbuck

    gbearbuck Herbie for President

    Dihard,

    or at least limit the time one can collect, and have the city/state take the kids away from the parents until they get back on their feet...
     
  5. FKAGobucks877

    FKAGobucks877 The Most Power-Drunk

    Blame the democrats! :biggrin: Right now poor people are actually encouraged to stay poor. If you are poor, you can go to college for free, not have to work, and make money having babies. If you have a little money (ie, you work), you not only have to pay for all the above, but you pay for the poor to have all the above as well. These people need to be encouraged to get a job, not stay on welfare.
     
  6. NorthShoreBuck

    NorthShoreBuck True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence

    Along about now is when someone will mention corporate welfare.


    I have stated in a previous post that as an MBA student my group worked with an organization that moved people from welfare to work. The people arrived and in many cases could not read or do simple math. They had no idea how to open or manage a savings / checking account. This organization spent months getting these people ready for jobs. In almost every case it was a woman, they could not get many men to particpate. They had to particpate or their assistance would be cut off.

    Once they finished the program they were given jobs. The wages were above minimum wage and they received some benefits. In most cases within a year they had quit or been fired. They did not have child care. They did not want to get up and go to work. The thing that still sticks in my mind was that they were angry that they had to work and then have some taken out for taxes and benefits.

    I remember working with the director of the program. One evening we were talking about trying to get some businesses to provide training so that they could hire some people and get some tax benefits. The director who was a very positive and compassionate person told us that those type of businesses did not want to particpate in her program. She said they spent good money to get bad employees.
     
  7. stxbuck

    stxbuck Woody wore Sambas

    I'm glad you mentioned corporate welfare Bucknola. Giving massive handouts for Fortune 500 companies is something that I am very opposed to as well as regular welfare. That said, giving corporations ridiculous tax breaks/subsidies is not doing the social harm that AFDC and programs such as that are. Creating a culture of laziness and entitlement is one of the things that has hurt America in the past 35 years or so. If you are not completely lazy, there is absolutely no reason to be living in poverty. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba187/
     
  8. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member

    Unfortunately, it won't. As long as there is a government and votes to get, it will always be around.
     
  9. OSUsushichic

    OSUsushichic Fired up! Ready to go! Staff Member

    In all honesty, if for some reason any of you were forced to go on welfare, would you agree to the state taking away your child(ren)? I just find that idea absurd. I think there are some serious problems with welfare, but taking children away from their parents? Come on! Are the children really better off without their parent(s)?
     
  10. gregorylee

    gregorylee I'd rather be napping!!

    Not to sound completely insensitive ( I have children). In some cases, yes. Lazyness is mostly learned. If they don't have the example of "why work when we get all this for free". Then maybe removing them from that situation isn't as bad as the alternative.
     
  11. exhawg

    exhawg Self Mythologizing Monster Staff Member

    I'm all for castration/sterilization for people on welfare with 2 or more children. You can't force people to do this, but you can require that this be done in order to receive a check. I don't believe that the govt should get rid of welfare but they need to change how it is handled. Increase the amount that people get for the short term but limit the amount of time they can be on welfare to 6 months every 5 years. If someone uses up their welfare take their kids away and cut them off. I remember someone stating in an old thread that they need to make these people work for their money, even if they aren't doing anything worthwhile. "Make them did holes and fill them in" until they figure out that it would be better to get a real job. Put them in orange jumpsuits and clean up trash on the side of the road. If they don't work they don't get any money.
     
  12. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    New York Buck over on BN has a great signature line. Something like: "As long as you are robbing Peter to pay Paul you will always have the support of Paul." That pretty much says it all.

    I for one absolutely support the role of government in shifting income (in the modern economy). But I also agree the way we do it (disinsentives for effort, lack of accountability) is totally hosed up.

    I mostly agree.

    I just ran into an old friend over the Holiday that I had not seen in over a year. She was always an incredible workaholic, but several months ago was downsized into a position with very little responsibility. She admitted that now that she goes home on time every day she has come to resent it when something comes up that causes her to have to work late.

    If your entire upbringing is in a welfare environemnt it is unreasonable to expect someone to find it within themselves to want do something different. Which is not to say that continuing to reinforce that lifestyle is the answer.
     
  13. gbearbuck

    gbearbuck Herbie for President

    I'm not saying the state/city should keep the child, but to take the child and care for the child while the parent(s) is getting back on their feet.

    I also would say that anybody on welfare is put on a list... I would then draw up a law that would not let cable companies sell their service to anybody on the welfare list.

    Welfare was created to help those in a short term need... it was not created to support a large population for the long term... it is being abused and drastic actions need to be taken.


    I'm sorry, I couldn't help but think NO JOKE when I read the link provided above... it states these are the four ways to reduce poverty (it then tells why each suggestion can help):

    (1) finish high school
    (2) stay married
    (3) get a full-time job
    (4) if a woman, don't have children before age 20.
     
  14. Buckeye737

    Buckeye737 Sophmore

    Harsh, but I understand the frustration completely. It's unbelievable how casual those on welfare are about having children. Most of these people aren't capable of taking care of a goldfish let along another human being.

    I like the fact that there is a system to act as a safety net for those in need, but the system is all out of whack and needs to be completely revamped.
     
  15. BuckeyeSoldier

    BuckeyeSoldier 2 time Reigning BuckeyePlanet Poker Champion

    I just want to laugh at the hypocrasy.... how many of you were the ones who accused me of being a nazi for not wanting to support isreal but now state that they are ok with castrating those on welfare?
     

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