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Who is the best manager in baseball?

Discussion in 'Professional Baseball' started by daddyphatsacs, Sep 2, 2004.

  1. daddyphatsacs

    daddyphatsacs Let the cards fall... Staff Member

    Bobby Cox gets my vote, hands down. 13 straight division titles (14 really soon) and turning out teams that overachieve on a yearly basis. This years team may take the cake, after enduring a huge hit on the roster (lost Sheff. Maddux, Lopex.. etc.), not to mention the seasonal slump of Chipper Jones (batted in the low .220's up until last month), plus the injury of Marcus Giles for 8 weeks, and somehow has gotten that team to step up and beat the hell out of the heavily favored Phillies. Not to mention, they are holding off the world champs of last season.

    Did I mention that he helps with the re tooling of pitching careers. Just to name a few, Jaret Wright, Mike Hampton and many others in the past.

    What do you think?
     
  2. exhawg

    exhawg Mirror Guy Staff Member

    I can't argue. Cox always seems to get it done no matter what he has to work with.
     
  3. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear.... Staff Member

    It's hard to argue against Bobby Cox. Tony LaRussa and Joe Torre can also be mentioned in the same breath.
     
  4. NYbuckeye00

    NYbuckeye00 Banned

    Joe Torre, of course :)
     
  5. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member

    Well... Much Like Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa gets their respective pitching coaches in the Package... which you could hold against them... but I don't really.

    Torre... Well... Hmmm... Not that I think he sucks... but You could put old AKAK on the bench and win a lot of games with that kind of Budget... A-Rod Before Jeter? A-Rod After Jeter? This lineup thing is too hard.
     
  6. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear.... Staff Member

    If you ever do become manager of the MFYs and win 4 World Series rings in your first 5 years of managing them, I'll nominate you as well.
     
  7. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    I was thinking the same thing. :lol:

    Along those same lines I think Brian Cashman is the best GM in baseball :wink2:

    If the Red Sox win it all this year I'd put Francona on the top of the list :biggrin:
     
  8. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member

    Nutty- Does it say "waiting in Vain" under your Moniker?
     
  9. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    well.....along THOSE same lines........i could be the best GM in baseball with an owner like the devil.
     
  10. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    Yes it does. :lol:
     
  11. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    Joe Torre, baby. 4 rings. You want my argument? Simple. A lot of managers have had great teams: Tony LaRussa had the A's powerhouse of the late 80's and choked more than he won. Davey Johnson and the Mets? Ditto. Bobby Cox? Ditto X 2.

    The mark of a great manager is getting the most out of your players. Not every manager has the best team in baseball each year, but when you do have it, you capitalize on it.

    The A's had the best team in baseball in '88, '89, and '90 and came away with one ring. The Mets looked like a budding dynasty starting in '84, but came away with one ring. The Braves? Please.

    Torre lost to a better team in '97, '01, '02, and '03. But the years where he had the best, he never choked like those guys did (or do). Bottom line. 4 rings.

    And oh yeah, Torre completely outmanaged Bobby Cox from soup to nuts in the 1996 and 1999 World Series. I saw every pitch of both Series.
     
  12. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member

    I tend to disagree that the Yankees lost to better teams all those years... especially '01 and '03... but yeah.. he's got 4 rings...

    Jeter or A-Rod?
     
  13. daddyphatsacs

    daddyphatsacs Let the cards fall... Staff Member

    Joe Torre actually has no business NOT making the World Series with the hand that he is delt every year.

    Steinbrenner will figure out this year that you can have all the hitting that you want, but pitching wins post season games. The Yankees will go in the first round.
     
  14. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    AKAK: "I tend to disagree that the Yankees lost to better teams all those years... especially '01 and '03... "

    I'm heading to Happy Hour in a few, but tomorrow, I will make you an unbreakable case as to why the '97 Indians, '01 D-Backs, '02 Angels, and '03 Marlins were better teams than the Yankees in those years.

    Remember, a Champion is crowned for ONE SEASON's team. Just because the Yanks have had a much better team year in and year out than the Marlins doesn't mean that they were better in that particular year.

    I'm a big believer in "The Best Team Always Wins."

    daddyphat: "Joe Torre actually has no business NOT making the World Series with the hand that he is delt every year."

    How can you say that?? Money helps, but its not the deciding factor on who has the better teams. Correct personnel decisions get a team to the World Series (I know, I know, the Yankees have the most resources, but that's not my point). How come the Dodgers aren't guaranteed a World Series (or even a playoff spot) with an annual payroll of $100 million plus? How bout the Mets? $100 mil can't even get them out of last place. How many World Series has Boston won with a $125 million payroll?

    I got a stat for you: no team has ever won a World Series with a $100 million dollar player yet. Not a single one.

    "The Yankees will go in the first round."

    First off, pitching wins CHAMPIONSHIPS. A lot of teams with poor pitching advance in the Playoffs, and usually fall short of the brass ring. The Yankees can win a round or two this year. The Indians made 2 World Series with awful pitching. Just because a team has bad pitching doesn't mean they're a guaranteed first round bounce.
     
  15. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    sears3820: "Tony LaRussa and Joe Torre can also be mentioned in the same breath."

    AKAK: "Tony LaRussa gets their respective pitching coaches in the Package"

    Anyone want to revisit the Tony LaRussa part of this discussion? This is choke job number what? Number Four?

    Its one thing to lose to better teams: Hershiser and the Dodgers were rolling in '88, the Reds were better in '90, the Blue Jays were better in '92, the Orioles were better in '83, and the Red Sox are way better this year, but this guy's teams don't even put up a fight.

    He got waxed in 5 in '88, and swept in '90 and '04. I've never been a big LaRussa fan, and there's no way this guy gets discussed in the likes of Torre, Cox, Bochy, and I'll even add a new name to the list: Terry Francona. This has been one of the best postseason managing jobs I've ever seen. If not the best.
     

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