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Who's offense was that!!??

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by Jaxbuck, Sep 4, 2004.

  1. AJ Nicholson

    AJ Nicholson Newbie

    To bad we didnt have Brandon Joe, I think our game will be better with him. Also no Marcel Frost who could also help with run blocking.
     
  2. gregorylee

    gregorylee I'd rather be napping!!

    uh oh, I think I hear Ash (Aye Matey) land coming
     
  3. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    I wish I had selected the right channel at the sports bar I was at when recording the game so I could recap Ross' first running attempts. If I remember correctly, we were -1 yard rushing at the end of the first quarter. Read that again...fuckin' -1 yard rushing. Regardless of the fact he finished with 141 yards, take that 68-yard run away and he's a 3-yard-a-run-if-lucky running back, like last year. Our OL played decently, but still needs some polish (that's expected, though, as nearly the entire line is new). The running game as a whole was a little bit better than last year's, but nowhere near "10 times better".
     
  4. ncbuckeye3

    ncbuckeye3 PJ Fan

    Agree with Mili

    I have to agree with Mili on the running game. The whole first half, he was the same Lydell as last year except for the long run, and you have to remember, we were playing a MAC school, he is supposed to have a big run. The thing is, with all of his runs except that one, it was 1-2 yards every time.

    And Zwick, I have toed the company line about him all year and not gotten into any Zwick vs. Smith arguments, but watching the game, I was praying for a change. Was something wrong with the ball, or can the guy not throw a tight pass? He also looked like he tried to put it in a lot of places he should not have put it in.

    I am not as optimistic right now as I was yesterday at this time about this season, we will see what happens.
     
  5. daddyphatsacs

    daddyphatsacs Let the cards fall...

    Keep in mind that Cincy is a Conference USA team, and will probably contend for the league title.

    I was very impressed with what the offense showed yesterday. We finally have a QB that can hit the receivers in stride and that is not afraid to go for the tight pass (Zwick thredded the needle several times yesterday). Regardless, we'll see how this all unfolds as the season progresses, but I am more optimistic about this team than I have ever been. Go Bucks!
     
  6. KillerNut

    KillerNut Banned

    To start the game UC was stuffing the Run, but once Zwick started scaring them off with the pass the run opened up. To be fair a lot of the time there just wasn't any holes to run through.
     
  7. Crayfish

    Crayfish Rookie

    I couldn't agree more Killernut. It was obvious that the Cincy gameplan at the beginning was to crowd the line and stop the run, daring us to pass successfully like teams have done to us for the past 20 or so games with Krenzel at quarterback. With an inaccurate or inconsistent quarterback, it is often worth taking the risk that they will "stop themselves" instead of keying on the pass to stop it. Well, Zwick had some success throwing the ball, moving it down field, and also Dantonio realized that he caught a few breaks when Zwick missed open receivers (namely Hall) a couple times early in the game. Dantonio adapted his defense to better stop the pass after the Childress touchdown was called back. At that point, we were able to run the ball more successfully but as some posters have noted Zwick seemed to begin to struggle. That is no coincidence. That is defensive scheme.

    A good team is able to win by whatever method they are given. Most defenses can key and stop either the run or the pass, but only great defenses can stop both. Usually they have to sell out to stop one while being vulnerable in the other. So when they sold out to stop the run, we were able to throw the ball well (Zwick started 7 for 9) and when they started to key on the throw, we ran the ball (200+ yards in quarters 2-4). If we can take advantage of what the defenses are giving us, we will have a very successful year.

    It is not really fair to blame Ross for -1 yard in the first quarter when running against a run stuffing defense, nor is it fair to blame the offensive line for not blocking 9 guys selling out to stop the run. Ross still looked a little hesitant, I'll agree with that, but going strictly off stats is misleading. All in all, I think we proved that we can win games either way so teams will have to gameplan to respect both the run and the pass.
     
  8. wdg01

    wdg01 Freshman

    Ross really needs to start looking when where is is running. He had a few good ones, but still needs to improve. Your not gonna get very far looking at the ground.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. stxbuck

    stxbuck Woody wore Sambas

    I wasn't terribly unhappy w/ Zwick's performance. Yes, he missed a couple of open receivers, especially on the 1st int, but overall I liked what I saw. The main things he needs to work on are A-the center exchange-he and Mangold have to get their shit together on that, and B-gripping the ball tightly when he drops back. Several of his poor throws appeared to slip off his hands, perhaps due to sweat, as the suggested on 1460 this morning. Overall, a decent-not great 1st game. He showed poise out there in the huddle, I feel, and he made good decisions.
     
  10. MegaWoody

    MegaWoody Newbie

    'Silver Bullets' on Offense too!

    Just wait til Zwick regains his 'athletic arrogance'. Once that happens, this is a lights-out offense.

    Consider the receivers he has to throw to, and what they can do once they catch the ball in open space: Bam Childress, Santonio Holmes, Roy Hall, Teddy Ginn, Devon Lyons and Ryan Hamby. Talk about explosive!

    This new spread offense, which a lot of folks on this board swore we would never see under JT, makes defenders play the whole field, sideline to sideline, North and South, on every play. They'll be dragging their tongues by the third quarter in most games. And there won't be many 8-in-the-box sets to stop Lydell this year.

    Once Zwick finds his zone and plays on instinct -- with dry palms, steady feet and a new mouthpiece -- our biggest problem will be scoring too fast and putting our defense back on the field too soon.

    This looks like it could be fast fun, boys. Buckle your chinstraps and enjoy the ride.
     
  11. HiFiver25

    HiFiver25 Newbie

    I expressed very similar sentiments about Ross' running (to Mili's) on the Bucknuts board and got hauled over the coals for that by Ross' cheering squad!

    17 carries, 141 yards - it sounds good if that's the only thing you see and you have not either watched the game or watched it with rose-tinted glasses. The fact is, that was the most unimpressive 141 yards I've ever seen from a TB. From watching his bungled forays into the opponent's D-line over and over, one thing becomes painfully clear to me: that he has neither vision nor strength. His supporters excused his mediocre performance in the past on account of his not being healthy. But when has he done anything noteworthy against a good team (Cincinnati is not a good team), even when he was healthy? Here's a guy, a fifth year senior at the tailbacl position, who still cannot break half a freakin' tackle!
     
  12. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    After the second time early that he missed a wide-open Roy Hall (once well behind and once too far ahead), I was in the middle of saying, "Krenzel!" when someone else in the bar beat me to it. There was more than one time that he looked eerily similar to CK in his throwing. However, I think he's going to make major strides and be an excellent passer...hopefully he'll copy Krenzel exactly in the decision making and poise departments.


    That 'cuz you were talking to those "brilliant" Bucknuts members.
     
  13. bucknut11

    bucknut11 Defense still wins Championships

    not to be too picky or anything, but Ross never red-shirted. the guy had his first 100 yard game as a 17 year old.
     
  14. HiFiver25

    HiFiver25 Newbie

    OK, so I stand corrected:
    Here's a guy, a senior at tailback, who still can't break half a freakin' tackle!
     
  15. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    I forgot to mention Bam Childress. Man, was I pissed when his TD catch was called back to a bullshit PI call (on Hall?). How in the hell can you call offensive PI that far away from the flight of the ball? Anyway, back to Childress. He looked very good...he keep good possession of the ball, made a bunch of would-be tacklers miss, and got open often (especially on that TD-called-back catch...he had 6-7 yards on his defender). I think Bam is figure into our offense more and more as the season progresses.
     

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