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Zach Smith (Official Thread)

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by BB73, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. Thump

    Thump Hating the environment since 1994

    I think you mean Matt Campbell.
  2. dozenmonkeyz

    dozenmonkeyz <enter custom title here>

    Sparcboxbuck posted this a while back and it's advice Smith could have used many years ago. I removed various items to highlight some points that seem more relevant to this situation.

    We should keep in mind that #15 is as likely a possibility in this situation as anything else. Before we go casting judgement on Urban Meyer, he most likely was very aware of the incidents (admittedly from Zach's side) and perhaps felt there was enough doubt to the allegations to side with him. I don't believe for a minute he would have put either the FL or OSU programs at risk just to appease Earle Bruce, nor would Earle have condoned it if there was belief that Zach was a wife beater.
  3. BigJim

    BigJim Senior

    Exactly. I'm not following why people are attacking Urban for this. Unless I'm missing something (serious question)? This feels to me like the Zeke thread last year where a few people were overreacting.
  4. Nigel Tufnel

    Nigel Tufnel Choking on vomit

    When dudes are potentially beating their wives, it’s not overreacting to expect the head coach to handle personnel decisions in such a manner that they are addressed. Second chances are sometimes given and people with problems can be provided assistance. But if the leader of an organization continues to ignore such behavior, it’s understandable that folks have a problem.

    I don’t know enough to say what’s right or wrong here, but it get why folks would be pissed if Meyer knew Smith was a repeat offender.
  5. dozenmonkeyz

    dozenmonkeyz <enter custom title here>

    At this point no one knows if Smith was even a single time offender.
  6. OSUK

    OSUK Sometimes lucid, mostly confused

    I might be jaded by some recent experiences, but I would never underestimate the ability of parents or grandparents to go into a parallel reality in order to protect them from the painful truth that their beloved little boy is really a (fill in the blank with whatever is bad).

    But this thing has so many aspects and ways of looking at it.

    Most of us probably know a guy who has the crazy wife, ex, or girlfriend who "weaponizes 9-1-1." On the other hand, that much smoke...

    There's the children angle. Zach, you are a dad, and that's their mother, so step up and be smart.

    There's a possible alcohol factor given that one of the police reports notes that he was intoxicated - but maybe that was a one-off and not important.

    There's the quality of coaching issue: good recruiting with deficiencies in producing WRs that could get off the ball, run precise routes, and be at a spot when they were supposed to be there. They did block downfield well, tho, but our passing game has been shite at times, and it wasn't all the QB's fault. Personally, I have never thought this guy could coach dogs to bark or lead hungry fat men to a buffet line. Which did beg the question, why was he there so long?

    Which leads us to Urban's sense of loyalty, and it has been assumed that loyalty was to Coach Bruce, not Coach Smith, but I don't know. It's hard for me to believe Urban ever felt like he was an elite coach.

    But if it were loyalty to Earle that was keeping Zach there, Urban would have canned him a month or two after the funeral, I would think. As it is, the timing, right before camp, with recruits in the wind, and the day before Urban speaks would indicate that this is something Gene Smith and/or Urban Meyer felt had to be done now anyway. The reasons for that would be very interesting to know. Perhaps it was nothing more than the evidence they had compelled them, or it may have just been the smartest PR move. But as it always comes down to when a subordinate screws up or embarrasses the organization, the question Urban will be asked and judged on his answer will be, "What did you know, and when did you know it."
    BuckeyeNation27 and OHSportsFan like this.
  7. BigJim

    BigJim Senior

    The bold is my point, why is this being repeated as a given?
  8. Fungo Squiggly

    Fungo Squiggly Mortal enemy of all things Bucky Yahoo Pickem Champ Former Game Champion '18 Keeper League Champ '18 BPCFFB II Champ

  9. dozenmonkeyz

    dozenmonkeyz <enter custom title here>

    Very reasonable take. Will be anxiously waiting to see Urban's responses as well as how the media decides to follow it up.
    OSUK likes this.
  10. RugbyBuck

    RugbyBuck Our church has no bells.

    I don't understand all the conflict. There's nothing wrong with knowing about a domestic matter that has been or is being handled legally and not firing someone and later firing him for the same/similar conduct or allegations when it becomes publicized and potentially adversely impacts the university. Smith was given a lot of rope and I'm sure the support to get his shyte together, but, as has been said, his body of work was not good enough to get through this round. There's absolutely nothing, certainly not legally, wrong with that or otherwise. Athletes are handled like adults and the coaches should be held to the same standard. That doesn't mean kicking them out immediately. It means assessing the particular situation and dealing with it. Zach had his chance(s). Urban wasn't wrong for not firing him sooner and he's not wrong for having fired him now.
  11. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    While I agree... IF he's lying about not knowing about 2015 (which I thought was highlighted by 11W that year) then what?
  12. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

  13. Hetuck

    Hetuck Senior

    Welcome aboard, Brian Hartline. I'll bet he can coach. I hope he can recruit.
  14. HorseshoeFetish

    HorseshoeFetish Silver Bullet Supporter

    Trespass, restraining order, fired. Not sure what else should have been done based on the info known to me.

    Also edit: Glad this isn't a players thread.
  15. BayBuck

    BayBuck Buckeyes are best

    Can you provide a link to such a report from 2015, from 11W or anywhere else?

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