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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Maybe put Dallas at the 4, and let him bang for the boards, and have Sullinger go to a high post (the 5), and work it down low. Don't want to see Lauderdale too far from the hoop, but don't want to see two low posts, as it'll clog up, and it won't give Sullinger room to wheel and deal down low. Not that it matters, but I thought Koufos and Lauderdale made the perfect duo, as Koufos was a 'face toward the basket' type that could create as he drove to the rim, and Lauderdale could pick and roll or bang for the boards.
The one thing that college coaches do is to mold their talent to their best abilities. Forcing the round peg into the square hole usually doesn't make for the best results. Matta will see what their strengths are, and then blend those talents. Heck, in reading these posts, I wonder why Thad doesn't hire some of us to be his consultants!
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The one thing that college coaches do is to mold their talent to their best abilities. Forcing the round peg into the square hole usually doesn't make for the best results. Matta will see what their strengths are, and then blend those talents. Heck, in reading these posts, I wonder why Thad doesn't hire some of us to be his consultants!
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DZ83CK
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The versatility of Sullinger IMO should make any combination (big or small) work fairly well when he's out there. Sullinger can play facing the basket or with his back to the basket on offense, and I think he will be fine defensively if he gets into shape and doesn't have to play too many minutes, but again, they can always play zone if they have to and that will help make it work. I know one comment Jared had reportedly said was he was going to move DLaud to PF, but Lauderdale really isn't a PF - he's kind a guy who has a PF body and a C game. I don't see Lauderdale playing any position other than the 5, as he's probably still the best low-post defender (at least in terms of ability to contest shots) and he sometimes looks out of his element guarding the arc (I do believe Sully is generally better than DLaud in guarding the perimeter), and on offense DLaud is limited (TV announcers once aptly described DLaud's range as a "dunk and closer") as clearly his main function there is to set screens. Matta will have to figure out what defense to use in lineups with DLaud and Sully together, and it could very well depend on who they're playing against, but having two big guys in there together ought to make the team tougher to score on in the paint. As far as the offensive end goes, DLaud is likely again going to mostly be a screener, but who's he going to be setting the screens for? They can run the same plays they ran last year to get Diebler and Buford shots, only with Lighty at PG and Sully doing the screening that Lighty did. So one option is for them to have Lighty at PG and have Sullinger performing the role Lighty had last year. I think they can also run some of the same plays they ran for Turner for Sullinger - for example, one viable play would be for Sully to curl around a DLaud screen near the baseline as Turner did in so he can get the ball near the paint with some momentum moving towards the hoop. It was not all that long ago (2009) when Turner played the 4 as Sullinger would in the "big" lineup, and they found plenty of plays to get Turner shots when he was playing that position, so I don't think it would be all that difficult to get Sully the shots he ought to get. When DLaud is out of the game, then they can turn back the clock to the earlier Matta days with Dials and Oden when a staple of OSU's 4 out, 1 in offense was reversing the ball around the arc trying to feed the post, in this case it would be Sully posting up on the low block. When Sully plays the 5, then they most likely would have Thomas out there, and he would be performing the Lighty role from last year. One good play with Thomas/Sully at the 4 would be the play where they have Diebler set a backscreen for the 4 man to move from the 3-point line to post up on the low block. I really like the OSU frontcourt this year, as they can go big with Sully at the 4 and DLaud at the 5, and then bring Thomas off the bench at the 4 and slide Sully over to the 5, and the third option is to play Thomas and DLaud together (and of course, Lighty at the 4 is an option if they needed to go "small") - that's a pretty great group of options, although ideally there'd be a better #3 center in case of foul trouble.
Here's the "short" version of my logic/reasoning on why Lighty at PG makes the most sense:
- Sully at the 4 (w/ DLaud at the 5) is a viable lineup against any team, Thomas is a very valuable player for this team whose best fit is at the 4 and should play a lot, and the team will be fine at the 4/5 against any team with just those three and those three should get the vast majority of the minutes at those two positions
- with Lighty's role from last year filled by others, he is free to play another role
- the team needs help at PG
- Buford and Diebler are guys who plays have been designed for to get shots off screens, while similar "catch and shoot" plays weren't ran for Lighty to get shots, therefore Buford and Diebler are the main SGs on this team
- Buford & Diebler rely on finesse and likely would struggle against physical on-ball pressure that a PG sometimes faces
- even tho the team needs help at PG, Buford and Diebler will once again be the guys who they will run plays for to get shots, so since they are SGs, they will not be PGs
- Lighty will almost never play the 4, Diebler & Buford are the most well-suited to playing SG-like roles, and the only guard position left is PG, so Lighty will either come off the bench or be the PG
- Lighty is one of the top-4 players on the team in terms of all-around game, and the #1 player in terms of experience
- Lighty is a 5th year senior and has years of experience running plays in this offense whereas the freshmen have none
- Lighty is a better all-around player than any of the freshmen
- Matta wants to play his best players the majority of the minutes, and the four starters from last year plus Sully and Thomas are the top six players on the team
- of the top-6 players on the team, Lighty is the best-suited to playing PG
- since there is an opening at PG, and since Lighty has more experience/knowledge of the offense than the freshmen, is a better all-around player than the freshmen PGs, is a better fit at PG than Buford/Diebler and is available, Lighty will be the main PG
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Here's the "short" version of my logic/reasoning on why Lighty at PG makes the most sense:
- Sully at the 4 (w/ DLaud at the 5) is a viable lineup against any team, Thomas is a very valuable player for this team whose best fit is at the 4 and should play a lot, and the team will be fine at the 4/5 against any team with just those three and those three should get the vast majority of the minutes at those two positions
- with Lighty's role from last year filled by others, he is free to play another role
- the team needs help at PG
- Buford and Diebler are guys who plays have been designed for to get shots off screens, while similar "catch and shoot" plays weren't ran for Lighty to get shots, therefore Buford and Diebler are the main SGs on this team
- Buford & Diebler rely on finesse and likely would struggle against physical on-ball pressure that a PG sometimes faces
- even tho the team needs help at PG, Buford and Diebler will once again be the guys who they will run plays for to get shots, so since they are SGs, they will not be PGs
- Lighty will almost never play the 4, Diebler & Buford are the most well-suited to playing SG-like roles, and the only guard position left is PG, so Lighty will either come off the bench or be the PG
- Lighty is one of the top-4 players on the team in terms of all-around game, and the #1 player in terms of experience
- Lighty is a 5th year senior and has years of experience running plays in this offense whereas the freshmen have none
- Lighty is a better all-around player than any of the freshmen
- Matta wants to play his best players the majority of the minutes, and the four starters from last year plus Sully and Thomas are the top six players on the team
- of the top-6 players on the team, Lighty is the best-suited to playing PG
- since there is an opening at PG, and since Lighty has more experience/knowledge of the offense than the freshmen, is a better all-around player than the freshmen PGs, is a better fit at PG than Buford/Diebler and is available, Lighty will be the main PG
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
A few quick notes regarding your post. While, it was pretty insightful it was also somewhat difficult to read for me. I know my grammar certainly isn't the best but to have a paragraph or just a blank line or even a - between thoughts would make for easier reading.DZ83CK;1745469; said:
I can see your reasoning for putting Lighty at PG but you are also putting a lot of pressure on Sullinger, and to a lesser extent on Thomas, to make the big jump from high school to college ball. I might be wrong but I think that Thad likes to play his seniors before giving the freshman a starring role. I think you will see Buford, Diebler, and Lighty as the main contributors at least at the beginning of the season.
I will grant you that David has the most experience on the team but I think you might be overstating that fact a little too much. I think Buford and JD, and even Dallas, know the offense just as well as Lighty. I think what it all boils down to is what Matta wants to do. If he wants to go with a high-octane offense, he just might give one of the freshman a chance at PG since Lighty could catch on to it pretty quickly. We sort of did run a different offense when Turner was out last year.
The big question will be if Thad wants to play a limited number of players like he has in past years or go deeper into his bench. I think a lot of that will depend on how quickly the high school players (I know they are very good high school players) adjust to the college game.
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There really wasn't much opportunity for depth last year. Love the kids, but you can't compare Hill, Madsen and Simmons to the likes of what is coming in this season - even fresh out of the box.
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billmac91
Head Coach
LitlBuck;1745679; said:
Last year was the first year under Thad we saw a pretty open offense where they'd grab a rebound and just push. Even with Mike Conley, GO, Ron Lewis, etc. they played at a slower pace.
I think a lot of that was due to Turner's inexperience at PG and wanting to breakout before a defense could get set. I think we'll see a lot of that this year as well, but with Lighty running the point. A lot of pressure will be taken off David because in most situations the guy bringing the ball up the court, is going to be whoever takes the outlet.
In slower paced games, with intense defense on the point, I think Lighty has to be the man though. Neither Diebler or Buford have the handle or explosiveness of David, plus Lighty has the size and body control to keep people off of him.
In short, I think in possesion type games Lighty is the PG, but off misses it will be by committee. It's such an advantage to have 3-4 guys who can start a break like Diebler, Buford, Lighty, Thomas will be able to do. Lauderdale and Sullinger will be able to outlet to a lot of different options which always helps...
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smitty03
Somebody's Heine' is crowdin' my icebox...
DZ83CK;1745469; said:
I just cannot see David Lighty handling ball for us this year at PG. In my opinion, he does not look comfortable with the ball in his hands in the back court, and excels only inside the 3 point line driving to the hoop. He had the tendency to pick up his dribble last year when defenses were extended and pressured him, which concerns me for a potential PG.
Diebler did it in HS when asked to, and was hounded wherever he went by two and sometimes three guys. He was capable of doing that even though he was also asked to create his own shots as the main scorer of his team. I know HS is much different than college, but with his experiences I feel he would be a better fit.
In a perfect world, Craft will continue to grow through the off season, and be able to start for us at the PG position this season from day one.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I have to disagree with you when it comes to putting Diebler at the PG especially over Lighty. While I will admit that David is probably a better player within the three point arc rather than bring the ball up the court. He certainly would be better than JD. I saw enough of Diebler's games in high school to know that all his team did was run and gun and it was almost organized chaos the way they played. He would just dribble the ball up the court and once past half-court there was no offense whatsoever. If he could get the ball off, he shot it. There was no fault of his because that's the way the dad structured team.smitty03;1745945; said:
If it isn't one of the freshmen, Lighty would probably be our best bet at PG.
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smitty03
Somebody's Heine' is crowdin' my icebox...
LitlBuck;1746183; said:
Organized chaos, yes, but he was able to dribble through double and triple teams in the backcourt, which shows he has some handle. Lighty has not proved in high school or college that he is capable at handling the ball. I am hoping neither of them have to do it, but someone will have to spell Craft at PG. Maybe Lighty will improve like Turner, I am just going off of what I have seen.
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jimotis4heisman
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i heard they were going to use exclusively the five man weave?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWf_tSmH_Bw]YouTube - 5-Man Weave[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWf_tSmH_Bw]YouTube - 5-Man Weave[/ame]
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