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[FCollinsBuckeye]

I was on a roll...

YouTube - Animal House: Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor




Of course, they also had 16 teams, right? I think that they had four or five good teams and that the Big Ten had three or four. Given the difference in the total number of teams in each conference, I don't really see a difference.

Let's look another way. 8 of 16 Big East teams are ranked #70 or worse by Pomeroy. Only 4 of 11 Big Ten teams are. 5 Big Ten teams are ranked in Pomeroy's top 35. 6 Big East teams are ranked #35 or better.

So, who ran the tougher gauntlet? I just don't see a substantive difference.

Of course, you are right. While the Germans were bombing Pearl Harbor, I also saw some Big Ten teams put a few shockers on the table too. Wisky lost to Wisky Green Bay. Illini dropped one to Bradley. Iowa to Texas San Antonio and Dusquesne. Indiana lost to Loyolla. Penn State to North Carolina Wilmington and Tulane. But those are the sum and total of losses across a conference that is not claiming to be the best.

I guess that's the point. The media keeps claiming that the Big East is best. I just don't see it. Either looking across the conferences for the best wins or most stunning losses.

That doesn't mean that I don't feel for you because your team lost. It was the first thing I thought about when I saw the news this morning. Sorry, man.

Pretty sneaky, Steve.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I'm sorry but if you can't see the difference between Georgetown being the 8seed in the BET and Michigan or Iowa or whoever it was for the B10 then I'm not going to change your mind.

Of course the 8th best team in the Big East is better than the 8th best team in the Big 10. The Big East has 5 more teams. That doesn't seem like a point that really proves anything.

Something else to chew on. One-eighth of the initial field (forget the play-in, if you would) was from the Big East. After tonight, one-eighth of the remaining field will be from the Big East. Therefore, the committee got it exactly right. The Big East is exactly as good as everyone thought they were. Now we can we all shut up and go back to mocking Urban Meyer?

 

[jwinslow]

Nobody is chanting Big-Ten, Big-Ten....

that's certainly a change in tone from earlier

You tell me what that reason is other than tearing somebody else down to make you feel better about yourself.

That's garbage, unless you're willing to suggest that all of your psu bashing is to make you feel better about ohio state.

Humans are wicked creatures who enjoy watching people fall... Whether it is on a trampoline, a stupid quote, a sporting event or even death in some cases (coliseum).

I'd say it satisfies a craving or dark side more than a psychological boost.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

that's certainly a change in tone from earlier

no it's not. nobody is specifically chanting Big-Ten, Big-Ten, Big-Ten. What they are doing is hiding behind the bashing of the BE to make themselves feel better.....but that quote was about people coming right out and tooting the big ten horn.

That's garbage, unless you're willing to suggest that all of your psu bashing is to make you feel better about ohio state.

i hate PSU for the same reason i hate most teams.....their fans are pure shitheads. what about big east basketball fans has caused this bashing?

OMG THE BIG EAST IS THE MOST OVERRATED CONFERENCE EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yep. instead of #1 they're......number.......1?

 

[BayBuck]

I'm sorry but if you can't see the difference between Georgetown being the 8seed in the BET and Michigan or Iowa or whoever it was for the B10 then I'm not going to change your mind.

8 seed -- out of 16! That's more the equivalent of 6-seed Minnesota in the Big Ten tourney: a solid team, in the tourney, but not much more than that. Aside from 'Cuse, Georgetown beat exactly 0 ranked teams in the Big East tourney, then ate a bag of dicks in the NCAA.

 

[TheRob8801]

Good lord BN, all this pent up rage is making you kind of an asshole right now.

At this point it's all circular rhetoric...

...what exactly is it that you're trying to convince us all of?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

So Georgetown isn't all that good? I'm not going to say I'd have liked to have seen the OSU/GTown matchup....because I don't think it would have ended the way I would have wanted. It would have been the biggest test OSU had seen since the Purdue/MSU back to back games.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Good lord BN, all this pent up rage is making you kind of an asshole right now.

At this point it's all circular rhetoric...

...what exactly is it that you're trying to convince us all of?

If you aren't going to read the fucking posts then just leave the thread. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

 

[jwinslow]

So go ahead and make the point I've been asking you to make this whole thread. What about the Big East made those teams lose? Were they not as good as their opponents?

in some cases yes, but mostly they just weren't as good as advertised, or they would have not stunk it up in the tourney besides wvu.

Do they all suck? Does the patch they wear on their jersey's that says Big East itch in a weird way that makes them miss shots?

example 103 of making up arguments to distract from the point at hand.

I didn't say there was a common symptom, I said there was a theme.

For awhile, the bolts and colts had a similar theme, reg season dominance, underachieving in the playoffs. I'm establishing the theme concept, I don't expect another one next year for your conference.

You keep trying to argue that they are individual games... as though we are using a couple outliers to make a broad conclusion. We are using over a dozen ballgames.


Kentucky wouldn't have lost by now if they were in the big east. It's not a condition or characteristic, it's a trend of outcomes.


The big east did not merely have some fluke losses in individual contests, there was a dominant theme of underachievement, which draws the harsh criticism of the league.


If the big east is as good as you believe, then that should make the backlash even harsher, not gentler or apologetic.

 

[jwinslow]

If you aren't going to read my fucking posting history then just leave the thread. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

Fify

P.s.

 

[BayBuck]

So Georgetown isn't all that good? I'm not going to say I'd have liked to have seen the OSU/GTown matchup....because I don't think it would have ended the way I would have wanted. It would have been the biggest test OSU had seen since the Purdue/MSU back to back games.

Meh. GT made me more nervous than G'Town, but I just find it hard to understand how losing badly to OHIO hasn't knocked down your opinion of the Hoyas. Unless ... could it be? ... B-I-G! E-A-S-T! Woo hoo conference!

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

in some cases yes, but mostly they just weren't as good as advertised, or they would have not stunk it up in the tourney besides wvu.
example 103 of making up arguments to distract from the point at hand.

I didn't say there was a common symptom, I said there was a theme.

For awhile, the bolts and colts had a similar theme, reg season dominance, underachieving in the playoffs. I'm establishing the theme concept, I don't expect another one next year for your conference.

You keep trying to argue that they are individual games... as though we are using a couple outliers to make a broad conclusion. We are using over a dozen ballgames.


Kentucky wouldn't have lost by now if they were in the big east. It's not a condition or characteristic, it's a trend of outcomes.


The big east did not merely have some fluke losses in individual contests, there was a dominant theme of underachievement, which draws the harsh criticism of the league.


If the big east is as good as you believe, then that should make the backlash even harsher, not gentler or apologetic.

I just don't understand how being in the Big East made these teams suck in the tourney. That's the control here.....right? That's the thing they all have in common. You can't just say "look at all the big east teams sucking dick in the tourney" and stop there. What is it you're trying to say about the Big East?

I mean....how many times do I have to go to the Ohio/Georgetown well? Ohio isn't better than Georgetown. They just got beat. That doesn't have anything to do with being in the Big East. It's a coincidence.

Are you trying to make a statement about the Big East, or are you just commenting on the results of 8 teams who happen to be in the Big East?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Meh. GT made me more nervous than G'Town, but I just find it hard to understand how losing badly to OHIO hasn't knocked down your opinion of the Hoyas. Unless ... could it be? ... B-I-G! E-A-S-T! Woo hoo conference!

because I watched them more than just that one game.....something I doubt you have.

Greg Monroe is the best center in the game. Chris Wright and Austin Freeman are studs. Freeman was a 2nd team selection and led the team in scoring. That's a damn good team and if Monroe sticks around for another year they'll be a top10 team next year.

 

[BayBuck]

I mean....how many times do I have to go to the Ohio/Georgetown well? Ohio isn't better than Georgetown. They just got beat. That doesn't have anything to do with being in the Big East. It's a coincidence.

Does the result of that one particular game mean Ohio is definitively better than Georgetown? Surely not (although they were much better for that one game). But does that one game mean that Georgetown was not actually as good as they were thought to be? Quite possibly--they lost badly to the MAC's 9-seed for heaven's sake!

And that meshes well with this notion that the Big East in general has proven to have been overrated coming into this tournament. Lots of hype coming in + disappointing results = overrated conference talk. You've seen it before, I don't know why you're acting like this is so hard to understand.

 

[BayBuck]

because I watched them more than just that one game.....something I doubt you have.

Greg Monroe is the best center in the game. Chris Wright and Austin Freeman are studs. Freeman was a 2nd team selection and led the team in scoring. That's a damn good team and if Monroe sticks around for another year they'll be a top10 team next year.

I saw some of the Big East tourney, and I've seen GTown before: they've got some good players, sure (though if Monroe's the best center it's only because there's not much competition this year), but Thompson is a mediocre coach and doesn't seem to get the best out of his players--and as for next year, maybe this discussion will go a different way after the Big East's 8 top-10 teams all make the Elite Eight in 2011. :tongue2: