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Breaking down Urban Meyer's offense

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germ;2059937; said:
That scares the shit out of me, being Braxton is a better runner and in time will be a better passer.
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yeah. Tebow had a 1,000 yard rushing year and basically just took what the defense gave hime than carried a tackler for an additional 3 yards. With Braxton's ability to make guys miss, it could get interesting.
 
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AKAK;2059807; said:
I'm gonna laugh my arse off if on the first play of next season we come out in the I and run Dave.

If I were him, I'd do it, just to freak a couple* people out.







And by couple, I mean a [Mark May] load. You know who you are. :lol:
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I had the same thought :lol:. But then motion out of it into his one back set. I'd laugh.
 
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germ;2059922; said:
Interesting read.

In 2007 Tebow was 70% or so of Florida's offense. Do you guys see Braxton being a large % of OSU offense?
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Certainly possible. He was 44% of the offense for the season this year while spending the month of September coming off the bench, and he wasn't a very efficient passer either. He also had no experience at receiver to help him, and no Boom for the first half of the year. If you read some of the quotes from players after the Wisconsin game, Braxton didn't know the routes, but then neither did many of the WRs. OSU's best offense absent Boom Herron this season was almost entirely QB draw and everybody improvising on busted plays on 3rd and long.

Down the stretch, his % of total team offense was:

53% Wisconsin
40% Indiana
58% Purdue
65% Penn St
90% Michigan

4 of 5 of those games he rushed for 100+, scoring 7 TDs on the ground. He also passed for 6 TDs against 2 INTs.

I could see him settling in around 60 - 65%. He needs to hit those wide open deep passes! Braxton isn't built to take the abuse on inside runs like Tebow could, but the equalizer is that he's easily one of the best home run threats from the LOS on the team, so he should be able to amass more yardage than Tebow on his own with far, far fewer carries.
 
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germ;2059922; said:
Interesting read.

In 2007 Tebow was 70% or so of Florida's offense. Do you guys see Braxton being a large % of OSU offense?
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Large, definitely, but used differently.

He's not a 240 lb FB, and Meyer actual has the power backs that eluded him at UF (Dwyer, Minor, Scott, Tate, Moreno, etc). Mack Brown was the closest thing he had (that was the excitement & chatter when he signed, because it was a known gripe of Meyer's), and he didn't arrive until after his first retirement.

Tim Tebow's carries per game: 15.5 in '09, 16.1 in '07 (omitted '08 injured, '06 backup).

Alex Smith's carries per game: 12.4 in '03, 11.3 in '04

It seems logical that he'll be somewhere between those two, much like this year:

Braxton Miller's cpg as starter: 14.5 in '11


For comparison's sake (since Denard gets brought up wrt durability, despite being much smaller):

Denard Robinson's carries p gm: 17.3 in '11, 21.3 in '10
 
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germ;2059922; said:
Interesting read.

In 2007 Tebow was 70% or so of Florida's offense. Do you guys see Braxton being a large % of OSU offense?
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Without reading the whole thing I'm guessing that 70% is QB runs and passes. I doubt Braxton will be that high of a percentage of the offense. At OSU Meyer will have something he never had at UF in a power running game. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hyde be 30% of the offense with Hall and some others getting 10 to 20%. Tebow was the closest thing Meyer had to a power back, which was why he carried the ball so much. I would look for the the threat of Braxton running to be used more than Braxton actually running for the next 3 years. I don't see Braxton being as durable as Tebow was so Meyer will probably want to protect him a little more. If Braxton does end up being 70% of the offense I think it will be on a much greater amount of passes than Tebow threw.
 
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Power running with the QB is a unique situation offensively that Urban won't want to duplicate with Miller, because he obviously doesn't have a FB body type. Tebow was able to run between the tackles and take on linebackers within an 11-on-11 game, which has a net effect similar to taking a hat out of the box (really adding a blocker), making him more effective than a traditional power back.

Miller will be productive, but his use as a runner won't be in the power sets nearly as much as Tebow was. (Edit: I could see him being used in Urban's counter, for example. Tremendous threat there for a big gain against an overlyaggressive defense). More to the point, however, is that Miller will also be responsible for a higher percentage of big gains. He's a far greater home run threat, as we saw this year.

I think the question is less about "percent of the offense", which is too narrow, and more about how he is utilized to maximize his impact on the game. Urban will put him in positions to make huge gains, both with his legs and arm, and not as an every down workhorse like Tebow. Different approaches with possibly similar statistical outcomes in terms of total yardage.
 
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To me, it seems that OSU could heavily rely on Hall to fill the RB/WR role of Harvin, while having a traditional power back in Hyde with Braxton in the backfield at all times. Should give him some beautiful options.

Bring on next year!
 
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Urbans offense is really pretty simple. Its based on speed, playing in space and forcing the defenders to face guard which isn't allowed in college.

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