LOL at your entire argument. Just because football has been played for over 100 years means we should ignore some great accomplishments of recent players.
Let's use your timeline of 100 years (even though we both know football has been played before that). That means 1909 is when I should start considering QB's for the greatest ever.
I don't consider any worth mentioning until Sammy Baugh. Then I have no one on my Top 10 list until Jim Plunkett and Roger Staubach. From there we can consider guys like Archie Manning, Steve Spurrier, Jim McMahon, Doug Flutie, Jon Elway, etc but honestly I don't think they are as good until Charlie Ward. I then have Charlie Ward, Tommy Fraizer, Peyton Manning, and Danny Wuerffuel in the 90's. Not saying that those other guys I mentioned or guys like Troy Aikman, Ty Detmer, Chuck Long, etc arent GREAT players because they are but I have these other guys just a little bit higher. I mean you can disagree with me, but to say that you wont even finish my post because it is soo unthinkable that those three should be mentioned is foolish.
I don't have Elway up there because of his production at Stanford. He is a top 3 pro QB and the most talented QB ever, but in college he doesnt crack my top 10 personally.
Basically my Top 10 QB's of all time look like this (no order):
Sammy Baugh
Jim Plunkett
Roger Staubach
Charlie Ward
Tommy Fraizer
Danny Wuerffuel
Peyton Manning
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Tim Tebow
Let me see your list before you begin to judge?
And to the person who said "Well other QB's have won the heisman before". I didnt use the Heisman as my only critiera for getting on the list. When I gave the credentials of these guys I mentioned that two of them won the award, that between all three of them they have 4 NC's, and over 80 wins and less than 15 losses.
I mean have you watched Vince Young and Matt Leinart play? Vince Young carried his team to two rose bowl victories, a national championship, and a victory over tOSU in the shoe. It's not about just things you can list on a post. Did you watch the two Rose Bowls and the game vs. OSU? Or the multiple times he had 200 yards passing and 200 yards rushing to help get his team into the title game?
Leinart from Day 1 as a starter was a All-American. Yeah he had a lot of talent around him, but he was still able to beat guys like Matt Cassell for the starting job ans just because you have talent doesnt mean you always have success (Chris Rix, Brock Berlin). He is one of the most efficent and productive pro-style QB's ever. I mean how is this a fucking reach?
Tebow you can have a solid argument with, but personally I feel he is up there. He has had a complete career in 3 years, and he has the chance to win his 2nd heisman and 3rd National Title. When someone like Bobby Bowden compares Tebow to Bronco Nagurski you should pay attention. I mean if you want to leave him off for a Elway or Flutie then go ahead, but I personally feel he is a special player.
I don't think it's such a reach to have three GREAT QB's on this list. Just because they happen to have been around recently means jack shit. Does this mean I can't have Herschel Walker, Barry Sanders, and Bo Jackson on my Top 10 RB list since they all played in the 80's.
I'm sorry I don't have Johnny Lujack, Davey O'Brien, John Huarte, etc on my list from when my dad was a kid. You shouldnt just throw down old players names to seem fair.
Oh yeah BTW Scout agrees with me on two of the three (This is before Tebow):
Scout.com: Tuesday Question - All-Time Greatest QBs
So I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you, and please from now on dont talk to me like I don't know football before 2000.
). Hawk I think was a better player at Ohio State than Lauranaitis was, award volume notwithstanding. Remember, AA recognition and awards are not just a function of the player, but of the competition level of other players at that position that year. But would I take JL over BC or AJ based on what I saw of them in the 'Shoe (OK, and on the road)? I don't know, but I don't think so.
