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DE Jamal Marcus (Official Thread)

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It's kind of crazy to think that Marcus is better than Spence. At this stage, he's still one dimensional, and quite small. He's still playing like he's in HS, and th moves he used then dont work as well now. He can get to the QB, but hasn't had that extra effort to pull a sack, like Bosa has. Usually a second late. Jamal is good, and will only get better, but he's no Spence. But hopefully playing against an o line that isn't known for their power but more for finesse, he should make some plays
 
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I would like to see him back at LB next year where he should have been all along and I trust the new DC will put him back there. My opinion is that many bad decisions have been made on defense including overused nickel packages instead of sticking with a base defense. This also led to the loss of one major LB recruit that left the program that we could have used. We have plenty of depth at DE and hopefully more to come.
 
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Wham said:
I would like to see him back at LB next year where he should have been all along and I trust the new DC will put him back there. My opinion is that many bad decisions have been made on defense including overused nickel packages instead of sticking with a base defense. This also led to the loss of one major LB recruit that left the program that we could have used. We have plenty of depth at DE and hopefully more to come.
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I have to disagree there. First, outside of Wisconsin, iowa and mich st, our schedule is loaded with teams that have pass heavy offenses. Matter of fact, the landscape of football in general (college and pro) has shifted to a more pass oriented system. There is more of a need for a good-great pass rush to disrupt that. Having another LB out there on defense is creating a huge mismatch for the offense. Imagine if OSU'S offense is facing a team with a base 4-3, and we 3 WRs and a TE, not to mention our RB, Braxton would be licking him chops looking at the mismatch created of having a LB have to stick either Heurman, spencer/Wilson in the slot or Hyde out of the backfield.
And if you look at the most successful seasons that urban has had while coaching, he has had a monstrous pass rush that doesn't let up, and it's facilitated from the DEs. All you need to do is look at his 2 NCs with UF. Marcus should bulk up 10-15 more pounds and get another move to get to the QB. He can be special if given time. We need all the help we can get along the line. 2 LBs is fine as long as their long and athletic and can tackle in space. Urbans defenses are led by pass rushing d line forcing turnovers to the DBS, and LBs stoping the run and having lateral speed to stop intermediate routes. The nickel is fine in today's landscape and we have the personnel to adjust to the 4-3 base if need be against the few run oriented teams we face. But using 4-3 against a team like Clemson, you're asking to be blown out
 
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pnuts34 said:
I have to disagree there. First, outside of Wisconsin, iowa and mich st, our schedule is loaded with teams that have pass heavy offenses. Matter of fact, the landscape of football in general (college and pro) has shifted to a more pass oriented system. There is more of a need for a good-great pass rush to disrupt that. Having another LB out there on defense is creating a huge mismatch for the offense. Imagine if OSU'S offense is facing a team with a base 4-3, and we 3 WRs and a TE, not to mention our RB, Braxton would be licking him chops looking at the mismatch created of having a LB have to stick either Heurman, spencer/Wilson in the slot or Hyde out of the backfield.
And if you look at the most successful seasons that urban has had while coaching, he has had a monstrous pass rush that doesn't let up, and it's facilitated from the DEs. All you need to do is look at his 2 NCs with UF. Marcus should bulk up 10-15 more pounds and get another move to get to the QB. He can be special if given time. We need all the help we can get along the line. 2 LBs is fine as long as their long and athletic and can tackle in space. Urbans defenses are led by pass rushing d line forcing turnovers to the DBS, and LBs stoping the run and having lateral speed to stop intermediate routes. The nickel is fine in today's landscape and we have the personnel to adjust to the 4-3 base if need be against the few run oriented teams we face. But using 4-3 against a team like Clemson, you're asking to be blown out
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You are very very thin at LB. You have a kid who is a monster LB. He is very quick and can cover, probably not WR's but TE's and when playing zone he can do a lot of damage. You can blitz him. You can do so much with him. You slowly build a very strong base with a base 4-3. and then work from that. Sure you play nickel when you have to but only when you absolutely have to. With a very young defense, you need to keep it simple, build a base and expand. Sure you might give a play here and there but overall you build up confidence quicker. You try to do too much and you make mistake after mistake and there is no trust in anything. We'll see what happens next year.
 
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Wham said:
You are very very thin at LB. You have a kid who is a monster LB. He is very quick and can cover, probably not WR's but TE's and when playing zone he can do a lot of damage. You can blitz him. You can do so much with him. You slowly build a very strong base with a base 4-3. and then work from that. Sure you play nickel when you have to but only when you absolutely have to. With a very young defense, you need to keep it simple, build a base and expand. Sure you might give a play here and there but overall you build up confidence quicker. You try to do too much and you make mistake after mistake and there is no trust in anything. We'll see what happens next year.
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Have you seen our LB's try and play pass defense outside of Shazier? It's been pretty friggin terrible all season long so your notion that we are over-playing the Nickel package (when teams can't run on us but pass with success to begin with) is pretty comical.
 
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Magua said:
Have you seen our LB's try and play pass defense outside of Shazier? It's been pretty friggin terrible all season long so your notion that we are over-playing the Nickel package (when teams can't run on us but pass with success to begin with) is pretty comical.
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Exactly my thoughts. I didnt even want to respond again. But Magua, you said what I was exactly thinking. Our defense is already stout against the run, but our pass defense is really bad, and would be worse if not for our numbers of sacks. Marcus should remain on the line and just bulk up some.
 
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and we saw how playing around with packages worked so well in stopping the pass. When did our pass have more success? When we came hard at the QB. You rush 3 and drop a million, and the QB will eventually find someone. You take one of the DB's floating around doing nothing and put Marcus in and rush and punish the QB few times and you get mistakes and results. You give him time, you give him a comfort level and you make the average QB a hero. Sound familiar? The LB's were not performing well because we did not make it simple for them, we kept taking them off the field, we took our playmakers off the field, we redshirted people that should not have been, and we did not play the correct players for the longer term benefit and the defense never enhanced.
Here is a good summary on the Defense that beat us.
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2013/12/5/5178114/inside-the-playbook-ohio-state-and-michigan-state
VERY SIMPLE, same base formation = Quicker to a comfort level = harder for offenses to read
 
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