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Gene Smith (AD The Ohio State, '10 AD of the Year, '13 NAAC Organizational Leadership Award)

ORD_Buckeye;1938666; said:
That wasn't my contention at all. I'm saying that the group that I specifically was aware of were from outside Ohio. I don't have first hand knowledge of it, but I'd assume Bricker Hall heard similar sentiments from some clouted up alumni within Ohio.

My response was meant to reference only actual people whose opinions I know (and admitted that it was an unscientific sampling) as opposed to the post I was answering which seemed to have no problem broadly assigning his own personal opinion to 99.999% of the entire fanbase and proclaiming it with near certainty.


I'm fairly certain those in the know (in Ohio) were "not all in" from the get as well...outside of acadamia it was in the comments from former players and some media.....The frustration from Herbstreit and others (toward the fan base) I think was handled poorly because most of the so called "blind support" came from people who arent privy to the inside


That said Gene Smith needs to go now...It starts at the top
 
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bassbuckeye07;1938706; said:
That said Gene Smith needs to go now...It starts at the top

That it does, and--though I'm somewhat conflicted about it--Gee's role and performance shouldn't be left off the table at this point as well. The start, however, needs to be a thorough cleansing of the athletic department and compliance department. After that, the remaining members of the football staff need to be thoroughly vetted by the new AD as to what they may or may not have known.
 
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I still think, JT told Gene. When JT was asked at the intial press conference about the allegations, if he had told anyone earlier, and was nodding "Yes", Gene quickly jumped in front of the mic and put a stop to that particular question. Still very clear in my mind. I want to know the whole story.

Moose
 
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Moose;1938717; said:
I still think, JT told Gene. When JT was asked at the intial press conference about the allegations, if he had told anyone earlier, and was nodding "Yes", Gene quickly jumped in front of the mic and put a stop to that particular question. Still very clear in my mind. I want to know the whole story.

Moose

I think that was in reference to having forwarded the emails to Pryor's life coach in Penn. If JT had told Smith, I guess I could understand him playing along at the time. Now, having been forced out and being made the focal point for all wrongdoing by the still-employed Smith, JT would have to be some kind of stooge to not speak out.
 
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Moose;1938717; said:
I still think, JT told Gene. When JT was asked at the intial press conference about the allegations, if he had told anyone earlier, and was nodding "Yes", Gene quickly jumped in front of the mic and put a stop to that particular question. Still very clear in my mind. I want to know the whole story.

Moose
I'm starting to think this too. I can't see why Tressel wouldn't tell anybody, I think he's smarter than that.
 
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Nicknam4;1938790; said:
I'm starting to think this too. I can't see why Tressel wouldn't tell anybody, I think he's smarter than that.

This guy has been trying to get you on the phone to tell you that you're right. Smart people never do stupid things.

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ORD_Buckeye;1938729; said:
I think that was in reference to having forwarded the emails to Pryor's life coach in Penn. If JT had told Smith, I guess I could understand him playing along at the time. Now, having been forced out and being made the focal point for all wrongdoing by the still-employed Smith, JT would have to be some kind of stooge to not speak out.


I think that there's likely truthiness to both sides of that story. With (obviously) no inside information, my beliefs are:

1) JT did communicate the events up the chain. The communications, I would guess, were verbal in an effort to end a paper trail.

2) Smith and quite a few others, perhaps including EGG, likely knew what was going on. My belief is that they attempted to keep it quiet hoping that the mass of the problem would be leaving school soon and that most of the problems would be going with them when they left. They just didn't realize that the fuse on this powder keg was a hell of a lot shorter than they thought.

3) JT, for all the good that he did, gave us many clues as to how he handled things with the team. Specifically, the lack of straight answers that he gave (name your topic) was most telling. I think that he was on top of the situations and believed that he (too) could handle things until the problems were out the door.

4) JT, in my best estimation, was likely told that he was not to admit to communicating the information regarding the inco-cinco up stream. They put a sock in his mouth and he followed orders. For as much a leader JT may be, I think that he's a good soldier here too. This does not remove responsibility on his part, but it does implicate others... as it should.

5) Smith, by virtue of seeing one of his top coaches and programs go through this, needs to be taken to the guillotine too. He clearly was not doing what he needed to do to protect the University. The buck does not stop with JT, regardless if JT didn't communicate these issues with Smith. The fact of the matter is the AD needs to assume that there are things that are not filtering up to him and he needed (and this goes for the future AD) to have processes in place to check the balance of a head coach who had (and likely will have in the future) the kind of backing that JT had.

In the end, I guess it's that last issue that pisses me off most. We had an AD who did not do what needed to be done to ensure that the program was clean. We had an AD who put his head in the sand and palyed the game as though no news really meant no news. He has a responsibilty to go out there and find the news before the likes of Yahoo, SI, ESPiN and the others. This was his greatest failing. I realize that this pits the AD against the coaches on some levels, but if the coaches understand that the AD has a responsibity to uphold the rules and a responsibility for the performance of the programs AS WELL AS compliance of those programs, the coaches would fall in...

I'm sad that a man who had as much potential to continue to do great things as JT had his time cut short. I'm sad that he made the decisions that he made... but there's still a part of me that believes that the decisions could have partially been made for him... To that end, I wish that we would really find out what happened. I don't think for a second that JT would ever cross that line, and sadly, I think that of anyone in the program who has the potential to come clean and be honest about all the dealings that went on... it was JT. He loves the place too much to take it down, yet I'm sure there's a part of him that thinks that coming clean would be best. Not for his reputation, but perhaps, for the best of the the program which he loves. So a stooge? I'm not sure that I'd go there. I'm sure that he's highly conflicted over all of this.

But what do I know, right?
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1938729; said:
I think that was in reference to having forwarded the emails to Pryor's life coach in Penn. If JT had told Smith, I guess I could understand him playing along at the time. Now, having been forced out and being made the focal point for all wrongdoing by the still-employed Smith, JT would have to be some kind of stooge to not speak out.

I don't believe, Tressel would do that. Take it for what its worth, he can only be responsible for his own wrong doing. Not to be a tattle tail. Damage has already be done, time to let things go, and move on. The NCAA will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure of that. Thanks for the input.

Moose
 
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buckeyebri;1950240; said:
I thought it was interesting that Smith seems to believe OSU has a strong case when going to the NCAA...

Well, "ridding" yourself of the coach that you believe was the problem will do that for you. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a similar conversation was had with Terrelle.
 
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Moose;1939119; said:
I don't believe, Tressel would do that. Take it for what its worth, he can only be responsible for his own wrong doing. Not to be a tattle tail. Damage has already be done, time to let things go, and move on. The NCAA will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure of that. Thanks for the input.

Moose

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