HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[ScriptOhio]

Ohio State has had a ton of unfortunate losses.

Sparty in 2013 and 2015, Penn State in 2016, Iowa in 2017, Purdue in 2018, and Michigan in 2021-2022. We lose games that really matter a lot.

Yeah, but that's because any game we lose matters a lot. However, losing to scUM does matter a whole lot more.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

Yeah, but that's because any game we lose matters a lot. However, losing to scUM does matter a whole lot more.

What I mean is we lose all or nothing games a lot.

We can lose games and still win the big ten but there's now been 6 times since 2013 that we lose to the only team we can't lose to in order to win.

For example we lost to Purdue but we still won the big ten. So that loss wasn't terrible. However we lost to Penn State in 2016 which ended up winning the tie breaker to get to Indianapolis.

 

[billmac91]

What I mean is we lose all or nothing games a lot.

We can lose games and still win the big ten but there's now been 6 times since 2013 that we lose to the only team we can't lose to in order to win.

For example we lost to Purdue but we still won the big ten. So that loss wasn't terrible. However we lost to Penn State in 2016 which ended up winning the tie breaker to get to Indianapolis.

That’s bc the East ran through Columbus more often than not.

Thankfully, that’s no longer a thing going forward since there won’t be divisions in the Big 10.

Get mentally prepared to play Michigan multiple times in a season going forward.

 

[mendensa]

That’s bc the East ran through Columbus more often than not.

Thankfully, that’s no longer a thing going forward since there won’t be divisions in the Big 10.

Get mentally prepared to play Michigan multiple times in a season going forward.

yeah, I agree. With this expanded model coming, I think you are going to see quite a few Bama vs UGA, Bama vs. LSU, OSU vs. scUM, USC vs. Oregon 2.0's going fwd. It will take away some of the 3rd week of November luster but if it means we get to beat them twice in one year I'll just have to adjust.

 

[Jaxbuck]

That’s bc the East ran through Columbus more often than not.

Thankfully, that’s no longer a thing going forward since there won’t be divisions in the Big 10.

Get mentally prepared to play Michigan multiple times in a season going forward.

yeah, I agree. With this expanded model coming, I think you are going to see quite a few Bama vs UGA, Bama vs. LSU, OSU vs. scUM, USC vs. Oregon 2.0's going fwd. It will take away some of the 3rd week of November luster but if it means we get to beat them twice in one year I'll just have to adjust.

It will also mean there will be times when injured starters are rested instead of playing, what used to be , The Game.

It will still matter but I think it's time to mark an era of the Rivalry as 1935(?)-2022 (or whenever it actually happens) as when it was the last game of the year, winner take all event. It simply won't be that anymore.

 

[Bucklion]

It will also mean there will be times when injured starters are rested instead of playing, what used to be , The Game.

It will still matter but I think it's time to mark an era of the Rivalry as 1935(?)-2022 (or whenever it actually happens) as when it was the last game of the year, winner take all event. It simply won't be that anymore.

Not to mention that Penn State would easily make a 12-team playoff this year...so a conference (or division) title won't even matter all that much (except to Michigan, with their co-division title trophies)

 

[BuckBackHome]

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2022/...-consider-after-another-loss-to-michigan.html

Posting this simply because it supports my position Day needs to give up play-calling.

 

[RB07OSU]

I don't know. A month to get healthy and put together a gameplan for UGA should make things damn interesting. Of course, someone still needs to call the offensive plays and get the DBs ready to make plays, but hey, let's give it a shot.

That's 100% where I'm at. Despite what happened on Saturday and still not being over it, it is an absurd notion to not want to be in the playoffs to at least have a shot at redemption even if it doesn't seem likely. In the off chance USC and TCU both go down, we could have another crack at ttun out of the gate and I for one want that shot. Fact is, this team is crazy talented (especially when fully healthy) and can beat any team if the game plan and coaching is there. Huge "if" but with a month of rest and preparation, I would hold out some modicum of hope that we could go on a run like in '14.

And if we get in, we deserve to be there because the other teams behind us don't deserve to be there either. If we don't get in, we had our shot and blew it. I'm rooting for us to get in though, I'm not remotely interested in another consolation match against Utah with half the team sitting out.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Not to mention that Penn State would easily make a 12-team playoff this year...so a conference (or division) title won't even matter all that much (except to Michigan, with their co-division title trophies)

Exactly. Home field isn't going to mean what it means in the NFL so when you have rivalry games at the end of the regular season, right before the "real" season is to start, those rivalry games are going to diminish. Quickly.

 

[Woody1968]

After thinking about it for a few days, I really don't think that we had a coherent offensive game plan other than set the controls for run 50% and pass 50% and pull play out of random generator. Day got flat out outcoached by a dweeb who eats his own boogers. And it pisses me the fuck off.

 

[Jake]

 

[3yardsandacloud]

Well lots to unpack. Point of my post was to show, objectively, that Day is a pretty darn good coach. Any comparisons to Cooper are wholly unwarranted … so far. But I’ll wade into the minutia and attempt to offer an alternative view.

Woody, Tressel and Urban all took over another guys roster and improved it. They all won a NC in their first 4 years.


Cooper and Earl couldn't do that.


Day is in the lesser coach than the last guy group and all of the rationalizations ("if you take Days first 4 years and extrapolate them out over 10 years he's a HOFer") are going to have a very DFBIA delusional tint to them when he loses his third in a row next year. Probably on top of a couple of regular season losses.


I wanted to believe he could keep Urbans machine running full tilt as much as anyone else. After what we've seen from him in The Game I just don't know how anyone can still believe that but I remember people defending Cooper until the day he was fired on the old Bucknuts board and I remember people losing their minds when I had the temerity to doubt Tressel on this one.


Day isn't the guy. He isn't going to get fired anytime soon but he isn't going to keep us up in the Urban stratosphere for very long. Nobody worth a damn gets that thoroughly outcoached by a schmuck like Jim Harbaugh...twice. This is as obvious a watershed moment as Cooper losing to fucking Air Force in the Liberty Bowl.

So I guess the question is how do you judge the success rate for a coach at OSU? Does he need to win the NC within 4 years? Is it win loss record vs Michigan? Is out overall winning percentage? Only certain “big” games that matter? Certainly easy to dismiss any HC when the metric is fluid and subjective. So let’s just address the elephant in the locker room and get past the distasteful part. You compare Day to the 3 greatest coaching legends at Ohio State. All three left OSU under the embarrassment of scandal and tainted reputation. These are career coaches that should have known better and I’m upset that I even need to point out the painful portions of coaching “legacy” at OSU. But if you want a real comparison, this must be considered. Obviously Ryan Day has every opportunity to leave Ohio State in disgrace as well. Unlike some, I’m unwilling to convict or exonerate Day of a “trend” established by former coaches … let’s just say time will tell … much like Day’s unknown future record vs Michigan or success/failure in NC games.


Took over other guy’s rosters:


Woody took over for Wesley Fessler (21-12-5) - So this is impressive? Actually Woody wasn’t much better until year 4, but come on, this is comparable?


Tressel took over for Cooper (111-43-4) - Again, impressive after Coop finished 6-6 and 8-4?


Meyer took over for Fickell (6-7) - OK maybe that isn’t fair. Tressel (106-22 or maybe that should be 94-21 after NCAA adjustments). Meyer does take over a well oiled machine (sans Fickle year) and improves it marginally. Granted it’s hard to improve much more than marginally, but he does.


Day (45-5 .900) took over for Meyer (83-9 .902) - If the metric is W-L vs Michigan or National Titles, then yes Ryan Day is a failure and time to move on. In all other metrics it seems Ryan Day has kept the program at the highest of levels. Meyer finished #4, #6, #5 and #3 in his last 4 seasons. 45-6 .882 with 4 CFP Games (3-1). Day has finished #3, #2, #6 and ?? in his only 4 seasons and has gone to 3 CFP Games (1-2) losing the NCG. There is still a chance he gets back to a 4th CFP game, even a NCG … doesn’t seem likely but who knows.


So how best to compare the best HC in our history (and one of the best in CFB history) against the guy who’s been a HC for 4 seasons? Is it even reasonable to expect ANY coach to improve upon what Meyer did? Would love to hear who you think steps in and keeps us in the Urban “stratosphere”, especially considering Day was Meyer’s preference to take the helm? FWIW, I didn’t extrapolate Day’s record over 10 years, but how else would you suggest I make an objective comparison other than the 4 years we’ve got? I see you’ve already conceded the loss to Michigan, and 2 more, next season. Somehow it is I that is rationalizing while only using objective data? I only ask that folks ALSO look at this objectively. All are also welcome to their subjective views. However you aren’t welcome to define my subjective view when I haven’t really offered any. If you want subjectivity, please compare this loss vs #3 Michigan to that of Air Force in the Liberty Bowl.

… We have a solid chance to back into the CFP still this year and probably would stand a reasonable chance to win it. As I sit here tonight I cannot imagine winning this CFP would be good enough to outweigh the sickening feeling from losing The Game (again). I don't care about a NC to be honest. Nothing is going to get this stench off of us.

And that’s all fine. The Game is more important to you … nothing will remove the stench. I imagine many of us thought the same after the Cooper years, and yet here we are.

… Part of the trade off of putting more emphasis on the playoff than the regular season. There are always pros and cons but I'm having a hard time liking this.

Yes we are going to die off and no, it will never mean the same thing to them. It will matter but we are seeing the end(maybe already have) of the winner take all, loser contemplates suicide, end of year souls maker/breaker version of The Game. …

… I’m not sure a NC would be better than a win in The Game … Seriously.

Jax my friend, you don’t have to like it, but you’re going to have to live with it. “The Game” AND “the game” are changing, have been changing, will be changing … You can tell those whippersnappers Rutgers and Maryland to get off your lawn, but USC and UCLA are just a few driveways down the road. It all changes. The Bowl system, the equipment, the rules, the tactics, the conferences, the coaches, the players … and sometimes us fans as well. I’m as old school traditional as any, but I’m not too stubborn to appreciate the many blessings we have enjoyed as Buckeyes in my lifetime. Through all the changes in 50+ years, we have never really had a prolonged downturn. Always had moments of greatness and times to cherish. Always proud that my school is ready to step up to the latest challenge and come out swinging … no matter the outcome.

Those 15 coaches (not counting Ryan Day) have a combined 47 national championships. Call me back when Day wins his first....

I hope I’m lucky enough to enjoy that day with you … with Ryan Day or someone else at the helm.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'll just put this here

THE SITUATIONAL: FILM STUDY FROM HELL


Those uncomfortable with the Day/Cooper comparisons might not want to read it.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Well lots to unpack. Point of my post was to show, objectively, that Day is a pretty darn good coach. Any comparisons to Cooper are wholly unwarranted … so far. But I’ll wade into the minutia and attempt to offer an alternative view.





So I guess the question is how do you judge the success rate for a coach at OSU? Does he need to win the NC within 4 years? Is it win loss record vs Michigan? Is out overall winning percentage? Only certain “big” games that matter? Certainly easy to dismiss any HC when the metric is fluid and subjective. So let’s just address the elephant in the locker room and get past the distasteful part. You compare Day to the 3 greatest coaching legends at Ohio State. All three left OSU under the embarrassment of scandal and tainted reputation. These are career coaches that should have known better and I’m upset that I even need to point out the painful portions of coaching “legacy” at OSU. But if you want a real comparison, this must be considered. Obviously Ryan Day has every opportunity to leave Ohio State in disgrace as well. Unlike some, I’m unwilling to convict or exonerate Day of a “trend” established by former coaches … let’s just say time will tell … much like Day’s unknown future record vs Michigan or success/failure in NC games.


Took over other guy’s rosters:


Woody took over for Wesley Fessler (21-12-5) - So this is impressive? Actually Woody wasn’t much better until year 4, but come on, this is comparable?


Tressel took over for Cooper (111-43-4) - Again, impressive after Coop finished 6-6 and 8-4?


Meyer took over for Fickell (6-7) - OK maybe that isn’t fair. Tressel (106-22 or maybe that should be 94-21 after NCAA adjustments). Meyer does take over a well oiled machine (sans Fickle year) and improves it marginally. Granted it’s hard to improve much more than marginally, but he does.


Day (45-5 .900) took over for Meyer (83-9 .902) - If the metric is W-L vs Michigan or National Titles, then yes Ryan Day is a failure and time to move on. In all other metrics it seems Ryan Day has kept the program at the highest of levels. Meyer finished #4, #6, #5 and #3 in his last 4 seasons. 45-6 .882 with 4 CFP Games (3-1). Day has finished #3, #2, #6 and ?? in his only 4 seasons and has gone to 3 CFP Games (1-2) losing the NCG. There is still a chance he gets back to a 4th CFP game, even a NCG … doesn’t seem likely but who knows.


So how best to compare the best HC in our history (and one of the best in CFB history) against the guy who’s been a HC for 4 seasons? Is it even reasonable to expect ANY coach to improve upon what Meyer did? Would love to hear who you think steps in and keeps us in the Urban “stratosphere”, especially considering Day was Meyer’s preference to take the helm? FWIW, I didn’t extrapolate Day’s record over 10 years, but how else would you suggest I make an objective comparison other than the 4 years we’ve got? I see you’ve already conceded the loss to Michigan, and 2 more, next season. Somehow it is I that is rationalizing while only using objective data? I only ask that folks ALSO look at this objectively. All are also welcome to their subjective views. However you aren’t welcome to define my subjective view when I haven’t really offered any. If you want subjectivity, please compare this loss vs #3 Michigan to that of Air Force in the Liberty Bowl.






And that’s all fine. The Game is more important to you … nothing will remove the stench. I imagine many of us thought the same after the Cooper years, and yet here we are.












Jax my friend, you don’t have to like it, but you’re going to have to live with it. “The Game” AND “the game” are changing, have been changing, will be changing … You can tell those whippersnappers Rutgers and Maryland to get off your lawn, but USC and UCLA are just a few driveways down the road. It all changes. The Bowl system, the equipment, the rules, the tactics, the conferences, the coaches, the players … and sometimes us fans as well. I’m as old school traditional as any, but I’m not too stubborn to appreciate the many blessings we have enjoyed as Buckeyes in my lifetime. Through all the changes in 50+ years, we have never really had a prolonged downturn. Always had moments of greatness and times to cherish. Always proud that my school is ready to step up to the latest challenge and come out swinging … no matter the outcome.






I hope I’m lucky enough to enjoy that day with you … with Ryan Day or someone else at the helm.

We can keep parsing info to fit a point of view forever.

I've seen enough of what Day is about to feel like he isn't the guy. Winners always have a number you can point to or a statement win, something tangible that you base an argument for them on. Woody had a NC, Tressel was 3-1 vs tsun and had a NC, Urban was 4-0 vs tsun and had a NC.

Losers always require excuses to justify them being in charge. They usually have to take the form of overall win % and treating all wins the same/who else are you going to get/what does success look like? kind of lines. What does Day have to point to like the others? 1-2 vs tsun (his primary job), lost momentum in the series and hasn't won shit (barring a miracle playoff run this year). What was Cooper sitting on after 4 years? Winners find a way.

Like I said, I've seen people defend John Cooper to the bitter end. There are always a group of fans who side with the coach no matter what. To each their own.

When Cooper lost to Air Force I was done with his sorry ass. When Tressel lost to USC in '08 I was forever off his bandwagon. I had my doubts about Day last year. 11/26/22 confirmed them and I am forever done with his sorry ass. I'll always root for the team and hope for the best but this fucking clown is going to let things get a hell of a lot worse before they are forced to eventually make a change.

 

[Onebuckfan]

It’s hard to wrap your mind around a game against scUM not meaning much. It just one more thing at 68 years old that I can’t wrap my mind around. My son 35 raised a Buckeye Fan turned the page Sunday right to the CFP..I don’t know if I can go there by 12/31 if we make it. It’s a Brave New errDifferent World. Better, to be determined.