Most over-rated coach

[Okinawa's#1Buck]

Um, let's see here.... Carr has a ring, Fulmer has a ring, Stoops has a ring... How the hell are those guys even on the list? If the Buckeyes lose on Monday, should we add JT?

So, it's either Ferentz or Weis, neither of whom has acocmplished anything at the college level. However, at least Weis had plenty of success as an OC for a three-time Super Bowl winner, while Ferentz worked as an OL coach for a semi-pro team. Kirk gets my vote, and it's not even close.

Does winning a championship make you not overrated? The question is now who is the worst coach nor which has had the best/worst career, it is about the hype machine compared to their talent as a coach.

Weis has only been at his job for 2 years. According to this logic, he is overrated because he hasn't won a championship in those 2 years. (Igg, did I just stick up for Charlie ate the chocolate factory?)

I am not saying that your opinion isn't valid, mostly just playing devil's advocate with your reasoning.

 

[BuckeyePride]

1 Charlie Weis
2 Philip Fulmer
3 Kirk Ferentz


Thus far, it’s very obvious that CW is very much overrated. Big contract, Big mouth, and no big wins.

Fulmer had too much talent in his teams and he has done tool little with it.

Ferentz has done well but not enough to justify his contract. Let’s see what he does without Drew Tate.

Carr and Stoops are good coaches. I couldn’t put them in this list.

 

[milkman21]

It simply must be Weiss.

In his career as the ND coach, his only quality "win" was against USC last year... and they didn't even win that game. And yet, he gets lauded as a coaching genius and is even the subject of serious discussion for an NFL head-coaching position. That's absurd.

All of these other guys have done at least a few things right in the past couple years. They've all won a big game or two. Stoops is an excellent coach, and doesn't even belong on the list. If Ferentz can make Iowa matter in the national spotlight, IMO he shouldn't be on the list either--even if they've underachieved the last two years.

 

[JoJaBuckeye]

Wifey and I dropped off a Christmas gift at our neighbor's house, and I made the "mistake" of wearing my Buckeye cap. Turns out the neighbor is a big Notre Dame fan. We talked about football a bit, then he made a statement kinda like this: "The problem with Tressel is that he's starting to believe in his own hype, and that will be his downfall."

I just want to assure everyone on the forum that I kept my Tressel-like composure and did not deck the twerp where he stood.

 

[Steve19]

As everyone is voting for Charlie, I thought I might just put forward the case for Ferentz. Given what he has been paid, he really hasn't achieved anything more than Hayden Fry might have. I think he is a better coach that Weis, but how many times are we gonna hear about how he is the best coach in the Big Ten and that this is Iowa's year? Charlie is a legend in over-rated and is setting a new standard but Kirk deserves a little recognition too!

 

[bucknutz]

Cheeseburger Chuck hands down.

 

[ant80]

I am not going to read the posts. They don't really matter. By including Charlie Weis in there, you have basically closed the door to any intelligent arguement. When talking about overrated coaches, he is like the Empire State building in the 1930s, a Giant (in every sense of the word) among boys. He shines through like a beacon during a storm (or like a black hole on a warm sunny day, depending on how you look at it), guiding the way for others coaches that aspire to be as "good" as him, to follow in his footsteps.

edit: this board needs an "I hate ND" banner.

 

[Bucklion]

I would add Joe Tiller to that list, and put him front and center myself...he had a decent run with Brees, but he hasn't been able to do much of anything since him...if you're as great as some people (and occasionally he) think he is, you can recruit and win with more than one guy, and he hasn't done it. Come to think of it, even the run with Brees wasn't as great as it looked. Yes, he started 9-3, 9-4 in 1997 and 1998, and won the Alamo Bowl twice, but he didn't play us or UM either year. After that he went 7-5 in 1999. Since sharing the Big Ten title despite 3 losses (4 after the Rose Bowl) in 2000, he's gone:

6-6
7-6
9-4
7-5
5-6
5-6
8-5

Add to that he's only won one bowl game since 1998. Everyone made such a huge fuss about "basketball on grass" but the bottom line was Tiller dodged us and Michigan in his best years, and even his Brees teams were 0-3 against Penn State. I'm really not all that impressed.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I think Ferentz and Tiller are examples of decent coaches who didn't factor in the dynamics of their school and overestimated their own abilities.

Iowa and Purdue simply are not going to draw the types of recruits year in and year out as scUM and OSU. Every few years you might get the right guy and be competitive or maybe win a title but you simply will never consistently compete for the B10 title. I think Alvarez has absolutely done the most a B10 school can do, not named OSU, UM or PSU.

As much as there is to dislike about Saban, he's played it smart. Parlayed his run at a school that can't sustain it(MSU) into time at places that can (LSU and now Bama).

I just think being a big time CFB coach is as much about the dynamics of the school as the coach. The program builders like Bowden and Schnellenberger had advantages guys at Iowa and Purdue just don't have.

 

[HailToMichigan]

I would add Joe Tiller to that list, and put him front and center myself...he had a decent run with Brees, but he hasn't been able to do much of anything since him...if you're as great as some people (and occasionally he) think he is, you can recruit and win with more than one guy, and he hasn't done it. Come to think of it, even the run with Brees wasn't as great as it looked. Yes, he started 9-3, 9-4 in 1997 and 1998, and won the Alamo Bowl twice, but he didn't play us or UM either year. After that he went 7-5 in 1999. Since sharing the Big Ten title despite 3 losses (4 after the Rose Bowl) in 2000, he's gone:

6-6
7-6
9-4
7-5
5-6
5-6
8-5

Add to that he's only won one bowl game since 1998. Everyone made such a huge fuss about "basketball on grass" but the bottom line was Tiller dodged us and Michigan in his best years, and even his Brees teams were 0-3 against Penn State. I'm really not all that impressed.

I wouldn't include Tiller, for the simple fact that we wouldn't even be talking about Purdue as compared to UM, OSU, PSU, etc, if not for Tiller. Purdue was flat-out garbage before Tiller got there. He might not be the guy to win them a Big Ten championship, but he certainly brought them out of the dregs.

Dennis Franchione should be on the list, though. He was hired to do big things at A&M, and he's done alright, but they just got embarrassed by Cal, and he hasn't put A&M back where A&M fans think they should be. He built his rep mainly at TCU with LaDanian Tomlinson toting the rock, and hasn't done any better in his jobs since than any old coach would have done.

 

[Jeffcat]

I'm saying other....I think Urban Meyer is overrated. Its not becuase we are playing Florida next week I just think he is been overrated since Utah.

agreed 100%

 

[OH10]

A National title doesn't a good coach make.

Totally agree.

Just look at Tubby Smith in basketball.

Completely disagree, but that's for another thread.




It's gotta be Fulmer. That fat fuck has had the last decade to prove his National Title wasn't a fluke, and he hasn't even sniffed a conference title since.

 

[Bleed S & G]

For all the hype weis gets.. weis. after reading the arguments for kirk its close.. and they loved him before the game in iowa.. but afterwards i dont think i heard one good word about him on the walk out of the stadium.

but really.. the way weis handles the hype.. by waving his rings.. he needs to win a game that matters. while watching the sugar bowl, and namely the fake punt, charlie has made me dislike the domers more than i do scUM

 

[GoBucks89]

And imo, Stoops shouldn't be on that list, he did pretty well this year for having a below average QB and not having AD for more than half the season.

Bite your tongue. Baby Face Bobby choked it away again this year despite playing a second-class team (albeit the best of the D1 lower class). Add to that the first-class choke job in consecutive BCS championship games. Now that Texas is playing decent football, it won't be possible for Bobby to waltz through a cake schedule to the championship game every year. So he lost his QB for the season. Give him credit for giving Bomar the pink slip, but Thompson was no slouch. Yes, they got robbed in the Oregon game but one play did not erase their 33-20 lead with less than 5 minutes to go. Lousy defensive strategy was the biggest culprit. How is it that in those two games (Oregon and Boise St.) they scored over 30 points and still lost? When was the last time a Tressel-coached team did that?

 

[akronbuck]

stoopdogged- being outcoached with pee-wee calls. That was the funniest game to watch in a long time.