My "Math" poll

[Buck 'em up]

*The basis for these rankings is very simple. Points are awarded for victories based on Football Bowl Sub-division BCS Conference teams (5 points), FBS Non-BCS teams (3) and Football Championship Sub-division (1). Each team also get secondary points based on the same scale from each defeated opponent. The total points is then divided by the amount of games played producing the average used to rank the teams. This method is based on the rankings used by the Ohio High School Athletic Association to determine the teams that qualify for the playoffs. The conferences are also ranked based on the same method.

Understand the rankings if you want to comment. They are based totally on who each team is played and who the teams each team has beaten have played. A divisor has also been developed for teams that play more than 12 games (i.e. conference championship games or the Hawaii exemption). The divisor is not used until the team plays the 13th game.

Here they are:

1. LSU (4-0) 11.7500

2. Florida (4-0) 10.7500

3. Auburn (4-0) 10.5000

4. Arizona (4-0) 10.2500

5. Boise State (3-0) 9.0000

T5. Stanford (4-0) 9.0000

7. Alabama (4-0) 8.5000

T7. TCU (4-0) 8.5000

T7. Oklahoma (4-0) 8.5000

10. Kansas State (4-0) 7.7500

11. Missouri (4-0) 7.5000

12. Oklahoma State (3-0) 7.3333

13. USC (4-0) 7.0000

T13. Michigan (4-0) 7.0000

15. Nevada (4-0) 6.7500

16. Northwestern (4-0) 6.5000

T16. UCLA (2-2) 6.5000

T16. NC State (4-0) 6.5000

19. Ohio State (4-0) 6.0000

20. South Carolina (3-1) 5.7500

21. Michigan State (4-0) 5.5000

22. Texas (3-1) 5.2500

T22. Oregon (4-0) 5.2500

24. Florida State (3-1) 5.2500

25. Penn State (3-1) 5.0000

T25. West Virginia (3-1) 5.0000



SEC (33-14) 5.7021

Big 12 (36-8) 5.2727

PAC 10 (25-13) 4.8947

Big 10 (34-8) 4.4286

ACC (26-17) 3.0465

WAC (16-17) 2.8485

MWC (18-18) 2.6111

C USA (22-24) 2.5652

Big East (14-13) 1.6667

MAC (18-32) 1.5600

Sunbelt (9-23) 1.3750

 

[Diego-Bucks]

So a win over Duke would be better than a win over TCU or Boise State? How would somebody correct that, otherwise I do like the idea of the poll.

 

[NFBuck]

A little simplistic, IMO.

 

[Buck 'em up]

That is where the secondary points come in. Boise and TCU will keep winning and keep giving secondary points. Duke will keep losing and will not add secondary points. Then a team like Duke will continue to hurt the average and a win over Boise would continue to help it.

 

[Buck 'em up]

A little simplistic, IMO.

That's kind of the point. It takes away the voter bias. It is straightforward and ranks team purely on who they beat. Not really any different than any current computer polls except there is a SOS aspect to it.

 

[osugrad21]

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[Jaxbuck]

I would suggest showing the actual formula and all of the factors that go into it. The UCLA ranking seems to suggest getting points for playing a BCS conference team win or lose?

A quick glance tells me the way to game the system is to play as many OOC games as possible against BCS conference bottom feeders. It appears you do not get compensated for the extra risk in playing a good BCS team.

 

[Buck 'em up]

I would suggest showing the actual formula and all of the factors that go into it. The UCLA ranking seems to suggest getting points for playing a BCS conference team win or lose?

A quick glance tells me the way to game the system is to play as many OOC games as possible against BCS conference bottom feeders. It appears you do not get compensated for the extra risk in playing a good BCS team.

I will use LSU as an example.
LSU beat North Carolina (5 points), Vanderbilt (5 points), Mississippi State (5 points) and West Virginia (5 points) for a total of 20 primary points.

North Carolina beat Rutgers (5 points).

Vanderbilt beat Mississippi (5 points).

Mississippi State beat Memphis (3 points) and Georgia (5 points).

West Virginia beat Coastal Carolina (1 point), Marshall (3 points) and Maryland (5 points).

The total secondary points is 5 + 5 + 8 + 9 = 27 points

Primary points + Secondary points = 47 total points.

Total points (47) divided by games played (4) = 11.75 average.

You can play BCS bottom feeders to get the initial 5 points, but you will not get many secondary points (which is the critical component) when they don't win many more games.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I will use LSU as an example.
LSU beat North Carolina (5 points), Vanderbilt (5 points), Mississippi State (5 points) and West Virginia (5 points) for a total of 20 primary points.

North Carolina beat Rutgers (5 points).

Vanderbilt beat Mississippi (5 points).

Mississippi State beat Memphis (3 points) and Georgia (5 points).

West Virginia beat Coastal Carolina (1 point), Marshall (3 points) and Maryland (5 points).

The total secondary points is 5 + 5 + 8 + 9 = 27 points

Primary points + Secondary points = 47 total points.

Total points (47) divided by games played (4) = 11.75 average.

You can play BCS bottom feeders to get the initial 5 points, but you will not get many secondary points (which is the critical component) when they don't win many more games.

Got it.

Seems OSU hit a bit of a fluky spot then with two of our 4 opponents to date playing head to head last week.

So what is the penalty for losing? No points? and if so do you get secondary points from the team you lost to?

 

[Buck 'em up]

Got it.

Seems OSU hit a bit of a fluky spot then with two of our 4 opponents to date playing head to head last week.

So what is the penalty for losing? No points? and if so do you get secondary points from the team you lost to?

The penalty for losing is that -- keeping with the LSU example -- if LSU loses then their points get divided by 5 games now instead of 4. I have considered adding a minus for each game lost, like a -1 from the total for one loss, a -2 for two losses, etc. And you don't get any points for a loss.

 

[SCBuck13]

I like this formula for ohio high school, but it doesn't appear to work to well for college. It would be interesting to see the numbers again at the end of the year, when the schedules balance out, though.

 

[Buck 'em up]

I like this formula for ohio high school, but it doesn't appear to work to well for college. It would be interesting to see the numbers again at the end of the year, when the schedules balance out, though.

It does work for college. If you look at who some of these teams have beaten, it is a pretty accurate representation of so far this season as opposed to a coaches intern or media members opinion. My top three at the end of the season last year (pre-bowls) were Alabama, Florida, Texas.

 

[SCBuck13]

It does work for college. If you look at who some of these teams have beaten, it is a pretty accurate representation of so far this season as opposed to a coaches intern or media members opinion. My top three at the end of the season last year (pre-bowls) were Alabama, Florida, Texas.

It WILL work for college. I can't really agree with it at this point, when a 2 loss UCLA is 16th.

But it will probably look alot better towards the of the year, when everything sorts itself out.

 

[Buck 'em up]

It WILL work for college. I can't really agree with it at this point, when a 2 loss UCLA is 16th.

But it will probably look alot better towards the of the year, when everything sorts itself out.

UCLA is only there because they beat a 3-1 Texas team and a 3-1 Houston team. To this point there aren't any teams behind them that can claim two better wins. In fact UCLA has the 3rd toughest schedule so far according to Sagarin. I understand what you are saying. It definitely sorts itself out a little more each week.

 

[ScriptOhio]

I got a better math formula: