NFL RB's: Miami vs. OSU

[mross34]

except one school didn't get beat at home 48-0 by UVA.

What does that have to do with getting to the NFL? There's no comparison between the post-2002 on-field success of these two schools, but that doesn't deny the fact that Frank Gore, Willis McGahee, and Clinton Portis some of the better running backs in the league. Not to mention the fact that Edgerrin James is coming to the tail end of a fantastic career and Najeh Davenport has been a solid contributor to Pittsburgh for years.

Ohio State hasn't been so lucky in recent years with RBs in The League. But that's currently trending in a positive direction with Pittman waiting for his chance to shine and Beanie as a future first round pick.

 

[tsteele316]

What does that have to do with getting to the NFL? There's no comparison between the post-2002 on-field success of these two schools, but that doesn't deny the fact that Frank Gore, Willis McGahee, and Clinton Portis some of the better running backs in the league. Not to mention the fact that Edgerrin James is coming to the tail end of a fantastic career and Najeh Davenport has been a solid contributor to Pittsburgh for years.

Ohio State hasn't been so lucky in recent years with RBs in The League. But that's currently trending in a positive direction with Pittman waiting for his chance to shine and Beanie as a future first round pick.

what does it have to do with the NFL? nothing. what does it have to do with the kid making a college choice, a lot.

if the two schools are equal in churning out nfl talent as you assert, and one team was 10 shades of suck, it plays into the decision. if miami has another bad year this year, shannon will be on the hot seat as well. it goes a little bit deeper than putting guys in the nfl. maybe i should have elaborated in the previous post.

 

[SNIPER26]

what does it have to do with the NFL? nothing. what does it have to do with the kid making a college choice, a lot.

if the two schools are equal in churning out nfl talent as you assert, and one team was 10 shades of suck, it plays into the decision. if miami has another bad year this year, shannon will be on the hot seat as well. it goes a little bit deeper than putting guys in the nfl. maybe i should have elaborated in the previous post.

Miami RBs in the League.

Frank Gore
Edgerrin James
Clinton Portis
Willis McGahee
Najeh Davenport

Future NFLers...
Javarris James
Graig Cooper

Ohio State RBs in the League

Antonio Pittman
????

Future NFLers...
Chris Wells

 

[tsteele316]

Miami RBs in the League.

Frank Gore
Edgerrin James
Clinton Portis
Willis McGahee
Najeh Davenport

Future NFLers...
Javarris James
Graig Cooper

Ohio State RBs in the League

Antonio Pittman
????

Future NFLers...
Chris Wells

and how many of those miami rb's were coached/recruited by randy shannon?

 

[SNIPER26]

and how many of those miami rb's were coached/recruited by randy shannon?

I don't know how many of the Miami RBs were recruited by Shannon as defensive coordinator (kind of hard to find out), but his first recruit as HC was Cooper.

Face it, OSU isn't exactly a meal ticket to the NFL if you're a RB. Cornerback? Sure. Wide receiver? Yup. Linebacker? better believe it. Running back? Not so much.

 

[ginntroy2]

It was more about the players at Ohio State ie Maurice Hall, Lydell Ross, Maurice Clarett (could have been great).

 

[tsteele316]

I don't know how many of the Miami RBs were recruited by Shannon as defensive coordinator (kind of hard to find out), but his first recruit as HC was Cooper.

Face it, OSU isn't exactly a meal ticket to the NFL if you're a RB. Cornerback? Sure. Wide receiver? Yup. Linebacker? better believe it. Running back? Not so much.

based on what? if anything, clarett, pittman, and wells show that if you are a talented rb at osu, you'll certainly get yours. your comparison is apples and oranges. looking at what past coaching staffs have done as a basis for assertion is flawed.

 

[SNIPER26]

based on what? if anything, clarett, pittman, and wells show that if you are a talented rb at osu, you'll certainly get yours. your comparison is apples and oranges. looking at what past coaching staffs have done as a basis for assertion is flawed.

Clarett? Shocking 3rd round pick who never played a down in the NFL? Mmmmk?

Pittman? Cut by the Saints and then signed by the Rams to play special teams? Um, ok.

Wells? Likely beast in the NFL, but has yet to play a down.

The U produces RBs.

 

[tsteele316]

Clarett? Shocking 3rd round pick who never played a down in the NFL? Mmmmk?

Pittman? Cut by the Saints and then signed by the Rams to play special teams? Um, ok.

Wells? Likely beast in the NFL, but has yet to play a down.

The U produces RBs.

clarett's problems had nothing to do with anything aside from his own stupidity. if anything, being drafted in the 3rd round after not playing for 2 years shows how well osu did at exposing him in his one season.

also, pittman really supplanted travis minor as the #2 guy for the rams in the 2nd half of the year.

you are also reaching with your javaris "3.7 ypc" james as a future nfl player argument as well.

you need to try harder to prove your apples to oranges argument.

 

[mross34]

Clarrett really messed things up. Had he been here for 3 years and gone on to at least moderate success in the NFL, Lydell Ross and Mo Hall don't start games, unless he's injured. Maybe Lydell Ross even gets drafted as a high-profile back up with a strong freshman year because he wouldn't have had the opportunity to get exposed as a one-year wonder. But then he just would have gotten exposed in The League.

Before that is Jonathan Wells, who had a brief stint in the NFL, granted he probably doesn't measure up to anyone on Miami's list of recent alumni RBs.

The bottom line is Miami has put 4 RBs into the league in the past ten years that have been either pro-bowlers or the argument they should be could be made at some point in their respective careers. Ohio State hasn't done that since Eddie George graduated 13 years ago.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Face it, OSU isn't exactly a meal ticket to the NFL if you're a RB. Cornerback? Sure. Wide receiver? Yup. Linebacker? better believe it. Running back? Not so much.

It could be worse I guess. They could go to Michigan and suck for 4 years.

 

[SNIPER26]

clarett's problems had nothing to do with anything aside from his own stupidity. if anything, being drafted in the 3rd round after not playing for 2 years shows how well osu did at exposing him in his one season.

also, pittman really supplanted travis minor as the #2 guy for the rams in the 2nd half of the year.

you are also reaching with your javaris "3.7 ypc" james as a future nfl player argument as well.

you need to try harder to prove your apples to oranges argument.

Point is, Clarett didn't do jack in the pros.

And if I'm reaching for Javarris and his sophomore slump, you are also reaching for Pittman and his awesome 15 yards per game and 3.7 ypc.

Like mross said, OSU hasn't produced a RB worthy of mention since Eddie George. In that time span, Gore/McGahee/Portis/James have combined for 7 Pro Bowls among a host of other awards. But yeah, OSU's a RB pipeline!

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I don't get this debate. There's no real arguing that Miami has produced more NFL-level running back talent than OSU over the last 10 years. What's to really argue with in this?

All that being said, I'd venture to say that a top tier '09 running back recruit would have as good a chance of succeeding at OSU as they would anywhere else in the nation.

 

[tundra1]

Let's put the facts on the table:

Here's the comparison of running backs and fullbacks who were drafted and played in at least one NFL game by year of draft:

2000 to date:
OSU: 4 (Pittman, J Martin, Wells, Wiley)
MIA: 5 (Gore, McGahee, Davenport, Portis, J Jackson)

1995-1999
OSU: 3 (Montgomery, Sualua, E George)
MIA: 4 (E James, N Luchey, Derrick Harris, J Stewart)

1990-1994
OSU: 5 (R Harris, Cothran, By'not'e, R Smith, S Graham)
MIA: 1 (Donnell Bennett)

1985-1989
OSU: 4 (Workman, Jamie Holland, Byars, Spencer)
MIA: 6 (C Gary, Bratton, W Williams, Highsmith, Darryl Oliver, Bentley)

That's the list--no fuzzy stuff on the potential of current college backs, etc. Note that I'm not trying to compare them on a pure count of backs drafted who played. Some of these backs on either side just had a cup of coffee in the NFL. I'm just trying to provide facts here, since most of us on this board don't have this list in front of them.

Here's my take: a couple of good backs on each side, with probably a couple more on the MIA side lately than the OSU side. Before the mid-90's, the list is definitely more skewed towards OSU.

But, rather than compare talent, here's the underlying point: if you are a good college RB, you will get the NFL's attention at either school.

Lately, Ohio State may have had less talented RB's than Miami, or maybe OSU hasn't developed their RB's as well. There's no way to prove that argument either way. But Ohio State's RBs that have rushed for some success in college (Wells, Clarett, Pittman) have all been drafted and have had the opportunity to make it in the NFL. So have Miami's.

What any RB does after being drafted is a function of talent, attitude, and opportunity (i.e. Ryan Grant of the Packers this year, Terrell Davis in his rookie year), most of which is not controlled by a player's alma mater.

 

[tsteele316]

I don't get this debate. There's no real arguing that Miami has produced more NFL-level running back talent than OSU over the last 10 years. What's to really argue with in this?

All that being said, I'd venture to say that a top tier '09 running back recruit would have as good a chance of succeeding at OSU as they would anywhere else in the nation.

the debate stems from the notion that because miami put a bunch of rb's in the nfl under a different coaching staff, they are more favorable for an incoming recruit.