Notre Dame (football only discussion)

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'd say it just about cuts the Big 10 off at the pass. Brings the ACC to the Chicago market, they've already got a big imprint on the East Coast.

The corn decision is looking more and more shortsighted and mired in the past all the time. We could have been bold and locked up the DC-NYC-BOS corridor. Instead, we picked a football only school whose, even in that context, best days might be behind them.

 

[Bucknut24]

During the press conference they said that Notre Dame can take the ACC's second automatic birth if they're within 1 win of the ACC team.

For instance, a 9-3 Notre Dame team can get in over a 10-2 ACC team.

does anyone know if ND gets over ACC team, does the ACC still get any of that money?

 

[MaxBuck]

During the press conference they said that Notre Dame can take the ACC's second automatic birth if they're within 1 win of the ACC team.

Yeah, but after next season there's no more BCS, and consequantly no "automatic berths." So I ask again, what impact on postseason play?

 

[Fremont Buckeye]

does anyone know if ND gets over ACC team, does the ACC still get any of that money?

Woudn't that mean if said ACC team were to still get any money that it would cut into the amount ND would get for taking said spot.

That doesn't sound like ND at all.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

does anyone know if ND gets over ACC team, does the ACC still get any of that money?

Don't know and would be interested to find out.

The one silver lining in this is that Swofford had to sell his soul to the literal devil to keep his conference afloat. Hopefully, the domers will turn out to be the treacherous, back stabbing cancer that we know them to be.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yep - now I'd love to see the BIG cut their asses off entirely - scUM and Sparty need to stop scheduling them as should Purdidn't.

I don't think it'll happen. Despite their mediocrity, Notre Dame still brings the money. Notre Dame and Michigan have broken NCAA attendance records 4 times together, the most recent being last year. Notre Dame has helped break 11 attendance records at other venues the last 11 years as well. Thats a lot of money coming in, and thats just ticket sales.

In any case, I would have rather seen Notre Dame join the B1G, it makes more sense geographically anyway. Michigan blocked that move years ago though, and it forced Notre Dame to become what they are today by playing a national schedule. This new deal with the ACC will allow them to still play several tradional rivals while securing 5 games and making the independant route easier to schedule around. I'm hoping they hold onto USC, Michigan, Michigan State, and Navy at least since those are the more tradional rivals. Purdue is there too, but I wouldn't shed a tear if they were dropped.

 

[ant80]

I don't think it'll happen. Despite their mediocrity, Notre Dame still brings the money. Notre Dame and Michigan have broken NCAA attendance records 4 times together, the most recent being last year. Notre Dame has helped break 11 attendance records at other venues the last 11 years as well. Thats a lot of money coming in, and thats just ticket sales.

In any case, I would have rather seen Notre Dame join the B1G, it makes more sense geographically anyway. Michigan blocked that move years ago though, and it forced Notre Dame to become what they are today by playing a national schedule. This new deal with the ACC will allow them to still play several tradional rivals while securing 5 games and making the independant route easier to schedule around. I'm hoping they hold onto USC, Michigan, Michigan State, and Navy at least since those are the more tradional rivals. Purdue is there too, but I wouldn't shed a tear if they were dropped.

You got any evidence for this? Link perhaps? I was under the opinion that when Penn State joined the Big10, they gave the same option to ND as well, but ND didn't because of financial concerns.

 

[Woody1968]

You got any evidence for this? Link perhaps? I was under the opinion that when Penn State joined the Big10, they gave the same option to ND as well, but ND didn't because of financial concerns.

He speaks of the days long before that, when Fielding Yost opposed ND joining the Western Conference.

 

[Mike80]

Swarprick and the ACC commissioner just made Delaney look like a fool.

Delaney is a fool - his vision for the Big Ten isn't nearly as aggressive as it should be from an athletics standpoint in my IMO.

 

[ulukinatme]

You got any evidence for this? Link perhaps? I was under the opinion that when Penn State joined the Big10, they gave the same option to ND as well, but ND didn't because of financial concerns.

Yeah, this was years ago, Woody1968 already hit on it. It's old history, but regardless Notre Dame looked for membership in today's B1G, but was blocked by Yost in ancient times. You can read about it various places, but most recently it was mentioned in an ESPN article:

http://espn.go.com/college-football...all-maintains-independence-move-acc-name-only

But the vital signs of Notre Dame's ability to forge its own path have weakened over the two-decade life of the BCS and its antecedents. That independence has been central to the Catholic university's identity since it was forced upon them nearly a century ago. Michigan athletic director Fielding (Hurry Up) Yost led a movement to blackball Notre Dame from what is now the Big Ten Conference.

Notre Dame ended up with their independence and the national schedule during those glory days. On the other hand, they've been reduced to mediocrity the last 20 years. The independance card is harder to play these days, and with conferences looking for more power it makes scheduling tougher.

 

[CincyInterloper]

After watching the domers take bowl bids away from Big East teams and never give back anything, how can the ACC be so [censored]ing stupid. ND takes; they don't give. You have a better chance of entering a mutually beneficial agreement with the Chinese or Tony Soprano than you do with the domers. And now that the playoff rules ensure that ND won't have to join a conference, why would anybody buy into their self-serving bull[Mark May].

I also wonder how their faculty feel about this after wanting to get into the CIC so bad. Big Ten schools should just start poaching anyone of value off their faculty. Gut the [censored]ing place.

This. Notre Dame is poison and I am glad they are the ACC's problem now.

 

[BuckBackHome]

I personally don't get the obsession with notre shame. They are not in our conference, not on our schedule and are sure in the hell not going to be in our way seeking another national title anytime soon.

 

[Zippercat]

Complete lack of vision and boldness on Delaney's part brought us to this announcement. Corn was the middle of the road, football only, play it safe pick. It was exactly the pick that plays into the stereotype of a conservative conference mired in the past rather than looking towards the future. While it might have been the smart pick up until the late 90s, today it may have done more damage (from a lost opportunity perspective) than good.

Six months ago, we could have teamed up with Texas and killed the ACC as a player and given ND (and possibly PSU down the road) no options other than to play ball with us.

Given the $50M exit fee, the Big Ten is essentially cockblocked from expanding into the NE corridor unless it takes the scraps from the Big East. It also gives ped aggy quite a bit of leverage should they seriously threaten to leave knowing we have no realistic options to replace them now.

Swarprick and the ACC commissioner just made Delaney look like a fool.

So you're sayin the Big Ten also needs to adopt a huge exit fee to keep Ped State in its place?

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

So you're sayin the Big Ten also needs to adopt a huge exit fee to keep Ped State in its place?

I don't know... If they offer a big enough fee they just might get someone to take PSU off their hands.

 

[cincibuck]

Complete lack of vision and boldness on Delaney's part brought us to this announcement. Corn was the middle of the road, football only, play it safe pick. It was exactly the pick that plays into the stereotype of a conservative conference mired in the past rather than looking towards the future. While it might have been the smart pick up until the late 90s, today it may have done more damage (from a lost opportunity perspective) than good.

Six months ago, we could have teamed up with Texas and killed the ACC as a player and given ND (and possibly PSU down the road) no options other than to play ball with us.

Given the $50M exit fee, the Big Ten is essentially cockblocked from expanding into the NE corridor unless it takes the scraps from the Big East. It also gives ped aggy quite a bit of leverage should they seriously threaten to leave knowing we have no realistic options to replace them now.

Swarprick and the ACC commissioner just made Delaney look like a fool.

Ord, you're in a better place to know these things than I am, but it seems to me that a deal with Texas was impossible. They used the Big 10 to threaten the rest of the Big whatchamacallit and entice other suitors, including the SEC and Pac whatchamacallit, Like Notre Dame, they were in it only for what they could get out of it and sharing revenue and air time with 13 other schools was not part of the bargain.

ND seems to have played their hand very well. They get to expand on their hold of the East Coast market - the very market that keeps NBC shelling out big bucks for mediocre football - they get to keep their independence - and they skip on the Big East with a minimal penalty. I see Cincy in the Mac, something they have fought against. I see the Big East folding - they could have had Penn State, but allowed Syracuse to block it.

Pay backs are bitches, and in this case if there's someone to hand the bill to it's Fielding Yost and Michigan.