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OSU Athletics "Greatest Buckeye Team All-Time" tournament

Not sure what you two mean by "goat." In my day it was the guy who screwed things up with a key error. I suspect the all caps means "Greatest Of All Time."

I know this, there was a prevailing attitude among Cincinnati fans that Pete Rose was as good as he was because he took limited skills and out-worked everyone else - a part of the attitude held by some that black athletes don't have to work hard because they have more "natural athleticism."

A scientist was intrigued by the question of what separated the greats from the not quite so greats. One of his findings was that Pete Rose worked hard, yeah, but he also had a faster reflex time than almost anyone he was playing against. The same study went on to compare other stars with their contemporaries and found reflex speed to be a consistent part of separating the top stars from their slower reacting brothers.

I would guess that if Chic Harley's reflex speed had been timed we would find it comparable to the reflex time of today's great running backs - it is that ability to reflex faster than their peers that gives star athletes a better ability to see and react , to retain or recover balance, to anticipate a split second sooner than other athletes with similar strength and speed.

A final discovery began with tennis players and wondering what the difference was between a John McEnroe and the 25th ranked player on the circuit. The researchers found that the top 25 pros possessed comparable reflex time, strength, foot speed and endurance, but that the top four or five believed they could consistently beat the bottom 20. They researched scores and found consistent instances in which a bottom 20 player would be outplaying one of the top 5 until a critical point in the match when they would fall apart and the top 5 player would rally and win.They saw themselves as top 25 players, but not as top 5. When asked about these matches they told the researchers that when the match reached a critical point they found themselves thinking things like, "What am I doing? This Jimmy Connor I'm playing. I shouldn't be winning."

They went on to run this same sort of psychological analysis on college football players and found that star athletes sought better teams as much as those teams sought them, i.e. the best wanted to play for the best, while athletes of similar size, speed, strength and skill convinced themselves that they couldn't play at the level of the big programs.

So in a world of comparably skilled athletes, reflex speed and some sort of sense of Alpha dog mentality seem to be the key. It's what separated Nicklaus and Tiger from a field of incredibly good golfers, made you pray you would never have to face Bob Gibson with the game on the line, or want to see what Jordan would do in the final minutes of a close game.
 
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yes, GOAT in all caps means Greatest of All Time

lower case means the shithead who gets blamed for the loss

One other one I forgot to mention that should always come up in these discussions of who from then could play today kind of thing; Jim Brown.

Jim Brown could play on any field, in any era and dominate.
 
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I feel sorry for anyone who didn't get to see him through his career and I shake my head at those who want to compare Sanders, Dickerson or Peyton to him. The only runner I've seen come close to him is Peterson of the Vikings.

I'd add Bo Jackson to the list even if for just a few short years (goddamn Bungles)
 
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Don't know if this is true - as former Cincinnati radio comic Gary Burbank used to say, "My granpappy told me," which automatically conferred truth upon what followed - so my granpappy told me that Brown was selected to play in a season ending LAX all star game. In the first ten minutes of the game Brown had scored something like 5 goals and so dominated the game that the opposing coaches met and decided that the only fair thing to do was to bench Brown.

You gonna call my granpappy a liar?
 
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and a 26' 8.5 inch long jump that stood as the World record for 25 years - and might have stood longer if the 68 Olympics had not been held at Mexico City's altitude

I agree with everything else you said... I'd double check the Mexico City part. (I'll simply point out that the Mexico City Games were 32 years after Berlin)
 
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I will apologize, I assume you were referring to Beamon's jump at the Mexico games, at any rate, Owen's record was broken in 1960 in Walnut California (Elevation 561 feet)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump_world_record_progression
I went back and corrected it to 25 years. Any chance the World record and Olympic record are confused or that the jump at Walnut was wind aided and thus not recognized? I ask because in an interview following the effort Beamon kept referring to his effort as The jump; that he knew the second he took off that he was jumping further than he had ever jumped before and that when it was measured he was astounded, both at his jump and that it exceeded Owen's mark which at the time was one of the oldest track and field marks in the book.
 
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I went back and corrected it to 32 years. Any chance the World record and Olympic record are confused or that the jump at Walnut was wind aided and thus not recognized? I ask because in an interview following the effort Beamon kept referring to his effort as The jump; that he knew the second he took off that he was jumping further than he had ever jumped before and that when it was measured he was astounded, both at his jump and that it exceeded Owen's mark which at the time was one of the oldest track and field marks in the book.

The progression is linked there with Ralph Boston setting the record 6 times and twice by Igor Ter-Ovanesyan, who held the record Beamon broke.
 
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OK, references are confusing because of the two classifications: Olympic and World records - His World record, 8.13, was set at Ann Arbor in 1935, his winning jump in the 36 Olympics was 8.06. His World record and Olympic record were broken by Boston in California and at the 60 Olympics in Rome.

BUT here's the real kicker and why I think great athletes are great no matter when the achieve their records. Using Owens' World record jump of 8.13 he would have won the Olympic gold in 48, 52, 56, silver in 64 and 76 and bronze in 80 and 2012.

I had Larry Snyder for my track coaching class and he told us an incredible story about the 1935 meet at Michigan, how he picked Owens up at the rooming house on the morning of the meet. Because of restrictions on travel during the depression he could only take three athletes to the meet, Mel Walker, Charlie Beetham and Jesse. When they got to the house they found out that Jesse had slipped getting out of the bathtub and hit his back on the tub. They stopped at the stadium, taped a hot water bottle to Jesse's back, wrapped him in blankets and then grabbed one of the football team's storm capes and wrapped that around him. they then placed him in the rumble seat of Snyder's car and took off for Ann Arbor. They arrived with less than an hour for Jesse to stretch and warm up and then came perhaps the most incredible 45 minutes in the history of sport. Jesse won and set the world record in 100, 220 and long jump and tied the world record in the 220 hurdles. Three new world marks and tied the existing record in 45 minutes!

Walker won the high jump and Beetham won the 800. 3 athletes, 60 points. All three would win their events in the '36 NCAA finals.
 
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BUT here's the real kicker and why I think great athletes are great no matter when the achieve their records. Using Owens' World record jump of 8.13 he would have won the Olympic gold in 48, 52, 56, silver in 64 and 76 and bronze in 80 and 2012.

No kicker needed, I certainly wasn't trying to diminish Owens or his long jump record. I just felt like poor Ralph Boston was getting left out of history... and on its own, Beamon's jump, the performance itself, whether at altitude or not was simply amazing. None of this diminishes Owens athletic prowess, or his place in history.
 
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