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QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

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Random thought in light of how well JT is doing as a freshman and seeing Schlicter's name in this thread:

Can you imagine the uproar there would be today if we had a quarterback put up the numbers did Schlichter did as a freshman: 4 touchdowns and 21(!) picks in 12 games? Including a pick that caused our beloved legendary head coach to become so infuriated that it immediately ended his coaching career? Oh yeah, and he put up 3 points in a home loss to tsun.

He wouldn't have been allowed to walk on campus, let alone play for the football team.
 
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Oh8ch said:
We are certainly on the same page and isn't this a wonderful conversation to be able to have. Two great QBs - one to celebrate for his past and one for his future.

But I will say this - totally my own opinion. Barrett will never be the athlete that Troy was as a QB. But in terms of running the O I think we may need to go back to names like Schlichter and Kern for comparisons before he is through.

And for those too young to remember Rex Kern - if you ever wondered what it would be like to have Aaron Craft QB the football team he might have been it.
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The thing I hated about Kern was half the time the camera wasn't on the ball carrier because the cameraman didn't know where the ball was. The man could definitely carry out a fake.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Believe it or not, Ped State is #9 in the country in total defense, ahead of #11 MSU. Michigan is also #19 (we are #18) and Minnesota is #34, way ahead of dumpster fire defenses Kent State (#106), Cincinnati (#124) and Maryland (#97). Both the Ped State and Sparty games are road games. Let's see how JT performs two top-11 defense on the road, at night, before anyone pencils him in as next year's starter.
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I'm sure they're at least decent defenses - but can't help think several of those are grossly inflated playing against god-awful offenses.
And while the defenses we've played thus far are very poor -- I also wonder what those numbers (particularly Maryland) would be if our games are removed. I suspect they're not quite that terrible.

As a sidenote I'm dubious as to the validity of "total defense" stats. It's a rather superficial stat given that NCAA football is the polar opposite of parity (unlike NFL where such stats won't have as huge swings when attempting to correct for scheduling biases) ... and even among the superficial stats to go with, it seems to me that scoring defense would be far superior.

Oh8ch said:
We are certainly on the same page and isn't this a wonderful conversation to be able to have. Two great QBs - one to celebrate for his past and one for his future.

But I will say this - totally my own opinion. Barrett will never be the athlete that Troy was as a QB. But in terms of running the O I think we may need to go back to names like Schlichter and Kern for comparisons before he is through.

And for those too young to remember Rex Kern - if you ever wondered what it would be like to have Aaron Craft QB the football team he might have been it.
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I was thinking Bobby Hoying. And Eze can be Eddie.
[scarlet tinted glasses]
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
Dak Prescott is going to have a hard time winning the Heisman with 2 losses.

6/1 on Golson is a bet worth taking, imo.
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33/1 on Petty looks like a deal to me. Favorable schedule with bye placement, hosting last 3 games including OK St. and untested KState. Visiting OU is the biggest hump left and they look eminently beatable the last 2 weeks.
@wvu, bye, Kansas, @OU, bye, OK St., TTech, KState
 
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kujirakira said:
And while the defenses we've played thus far are very poor -- I also wonder what those numbers (particularly Maryland) would be if our games are removed. I suspect they're not quite that terrible.
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I've listed the current total defensive stats, our yardage against them, and adjusted defensive stats for Kent State, Cincinnati, and Maryland:

___TEAM____ _CURRENT TOTAL DEF_ __tOSU _ _ADJUSTED TOT DEF _
Kent State: 2793 (466 ypg, #104) - 628 = 2165 (433 ypg, #89)
Cincinnati: 2868 (574 ypg, #125) - 710 = 2158 (539 ypg, #122)
__Maryland: 2707 (541 ypg, _#99) - 533 = 2174 (435 ypg, #90)

It's pretty clear that even removing our yardage those defenses are bad, especially Cincinnati.
 
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I was expecting the biggest boost out of Maryland. I don't look at total yardage, but scoring wise they're middle-of-the-pack across DIA only giving up more than 20 to us and WVU (who statistically have elite and above-average offenses, respectively)

Regardless, I wasn't questioning that the defenses we've played are bad.
Nor that the defenses you listed in the future are better.
I just question the extremes that the statistics you cited demonstrate that. I don't think the defenses we've faced are that bad, nor the ones we'll be facing are that good.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I've listed the current total defensive stats, our yardage against them, and adjusted defensive stats for Kent State, Cincinnati, and Maryland:

___TEAM____ _CURRENT TOTAL DEF_ __tOSU _ _ADJUSTED TOT DEF _
Kent State: 2793 (466 ypg, #104) - 628 = 2165 (433 ypg, #89)
Cincinnati: 2868 (574 ypg, #125) - 710 = 2158 (539 ypg, #122)
__Maryland: 2707 (541 ypg, _#99) - 533 = 2174 (435 ypg, #90)

It's pretty clear that even removing our yardage those defenses are bad, especially Cincinnati.
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I'd be interested to see how those numbers work for our game against Navy, too. Virginia Tech, as well, and compare them to our remaining schedule.
If I have time and am willing to do it, I'll post the results here. But I'm afraid that my curiosity may only extend as far as the "Post Reply" button..
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You mean the same MSU defense that got their doors blown off in the second half at Oregon? Aside from Oregon, they haven't played anyone (Jacksonville St, Eastern Michigan, Wyoming)...even Nebraska almost came from behind at MSU to beat them.

As for your statement, "Great defensive play just doesn't show up all of a sudden", well, yes, sometimes it does. There are plenty of instances where a team's defense makes a marked improvement from one season to the next. Your claim that MSU and OSU have the only two legit defenses in the conference is myopic. Minnesota held TCU to almost 100 yards below it's season average for offense, at TCU. Ped State's schedule is comparable to MSU's (aside from their season openers, UCF vice Oregon).

I'm not saying that Minnesota, Michigan, and the Pedtards have great defenses, but they are significantly better than the Kent State, Cincy, and Maryland defenses. If we put up 50+ points
--hell, even 40+ points--against those three, then we can say that JT is truly what many here are claiming (or we can say that those defense were truly [Mark May]).
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The problem with MSU is not closing out games, they have been dominant early in games defensively. Regardless the big ten isn't strong this year and our offense is running efficently under JT.
 
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buckeye4ever21 said:
The problem with MSU is not closing out games, they have been dominant early in games defensively.
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If Sparty plays second-half defense like they did against Oregon and Corny, we will beat them...

buckeye4ever21 said:
Regardless the big ten isn't strong this year and our offense is running efficently under JT.
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Agreed...
 
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