Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL)

[jlb1705]

Those people get paid too... They're called gradutate assistantships. They get (gasp!) tuition remission and a stipend.

 

[strohs]

Those people get paid too... They're called gradutate assistantships. They get (gasp!) tuition remission and a stipend.

Good, they deserve it.
No one student should be given special treatment just becuase they can play a sport, period.

 

[Bucklion]

For most schools, the only sport that generates any positive revenue is football. A few (less than one might think) are also in the positive in basketball. So, do you only pay the players in revenue-generating sports? What about the women's fencing team...do they get paid as much as football players? I don't think there is an equitable way to do it, even if I agreed with it, which I don't. Revenue generated from football pays for all the scholarships and operating budgets of sports that don't gross dollar one. Likewise, the players can make millions of dollars if they are good enough to play professionally in football or basketball....and presumably they're the ones that are generating most of the revenue at the college level anyway. At Ohio State, for example, the players get the national exposure and chance to develop their skills, which directly leads to future earning potential. Take the most extreme example: Would Maurice Clarret even be under consideration of being drafted had he played a single year of football at Temple? Would anyone even know who he was?

The best players make millions professionally...the rest, who aren't professional caliber, get a chance to play and get for free what everyone else has to pay for...still seems like a pretty good deal to me.

 

[AJHawkfan]

For most schools, the only sport that generates any positive revenue is football. So, do you only pay the players in revenue-generating sports? What about the women's fencing team...do they get paid as much as football players? I don't think there is an equitable way to do it, even if I agreed with it, which I don't. Revenue generated from football pays for all the scholarships and operating budgets of sports that don't gross dollar one.

Exactly Bucklion. If the University is "exploiting" these kids so horribly, the option is always there for the kid to transfer out or quit playing.

I put myself through college and am still paying for it, almost 9 years after I graduated. If I could've gotten a full ride playing ball, I would've been the first one in line to take it.

 

[Zurp]

For most schools, the only sport that generates any positive revenue is football. A few (less than one might think) are also in the positive in basketball.

A majority of college football programs are also in the red. When you limit it to just DivIA, the numbers look much better, but many are still losing money. Do the players for those schools not get paid, while the big money-makers DO get paid? How are those smaller schools EVER going to compete for the big prospects?

 

[AKAK]

A majority of college football programs are also in the red. When you limit it to just DivIA, the numbers look much better, but many are still losing money. Do the players for those schools not get paid, while the big money-makers DO get paid? How are those smaller schools EVER going to compete for the big prospects?

Zurp makes a good point... which goes further to the idea that if you do pay athletes... its going to cause some schools to leave IA... (which they probably should anyway in some cases)... BUT then you are rewarding certain athletes by paying them twice (scholly and $) and taking the schollys away from other kids...

Hell... if you wanted to go back to "free for all"... Ohio State could probably raise the money to fund 200 schollies and pay them all a good amount of $. But what about Marshall or Rice or whoever... (Notice I didn't say Sun Belt because they should all just go to IAA anyhow.)...

Then if you only paid athletes in I-A... what are you saying about the schools who are I-A in Basketball and I-AA in Football...

Do you have to pay the Rifle team? Rowing? Soccer? Synchronized swimming?

 

[BB73]

Do you have to pay the Rifle team? Rowing? Soccer? Synchronized swimming?

Wouldn't have to pay the synchronized swimmers. We don't even get to count that team's twenty-some national titles as NCAA championships, which is really quite a shame.

 

[AKAK]

Allright- Women's Volleyball... I'm sure that's not a big money maker... at least enough to pay the schollies and cash...

 

[exhawg]

I would like to see college athletes get more of a stipend than I got. I was given $2,500 a semester. That equals about $416 a month to pay your rent, feed you, and go to a movie or a bar every once and a while. You had to work a summer job beyond workouts and classes, just to be able to have some spending money. I remember a few summers I had to get up at 6:00 am to go to work and didn't get back to my apartment until workouts were over at 8:00 pm; that doesn't leave much time for fun.

I personally would like to see the exceptional athletes be rewarded monetarily for what they do on the field. I don't believe that it is a good idea to start handing out large checks to college age kids, but I have an idea that would be to the benefit of the athlete, the team, and sport in general. If the school set up a trust for the elite athletes and said, "Ok MoC you made several million dollars for this program this year so we will put half a million dollars a year in this trust for you. If you stay in school and get your degree we'll give you the money." That way athletes would be more likely to stick it out 4 years and earn a degree. If they happen to get a major injury they would have the money and a degree to fall back on.

 

[3yardsandacloud]

Wouldn't have to pay the synchronized swimmers. We don't even get to count that team's twenty-some national titles as NCAA championships, which is really quite a shame.

I don't believe we get to count any of our football titles as NCAA championships either. I'll try and find the article, but IIRC, about 40 schools turned a profit from football. Considering all the schools in college athletics, that's not very many. Even less turned a profit in basketball. That profit (football and/or basketball) was not enough to fund the entire athletic department for the majority of schools. Soooo, where does this money to pay athletes come from?

 

[Zurp]

If you stay in school and get your degree we'll give you the money." That way athletes would be more likely to stick it out 4 years and earn a degree. If they happen to get a major injury they would have the money and a degree to fall back on.

I'm not a lawyer or judge. (I don't even play one on TV.) But my guess is that players who leave or get kicked out would try to get a case to get that money. "I would have graduated but mean old coach kicked me off the team. Give me my money!"

 

[BB73]

I don't believe we get to count any of our football titles as NCAA championships either.

3yards, I know the BCS championship and the AP poll aren't administered by the NCAA, but football is a sport under NCAA jurusdiction. I don't believe that synchrozined swimming is; it doesn't show up as an NCAA sport like rifle, fencing, and water polo do.

Also, here's an an 'official' NCAA football website listing NCAA football champions.

http://www.ncaafootball.net/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=17&url_article_id=4760&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

What's interesting is that this site lists tOSU's 1961 NC by the Football Writer's Association of America, and the 1970 NC from the National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame.

I sent these facts to cfbdatawarehouse.com, since they were updating their 'recognized' NC's recently, but of course they decided not to count either year for tOSU. :(

 

[LloydSev]

football "championships" are not directly recognized by the NCAA. They list championships that are awarded by other organizations, but not once has one been recognized as an NCAA Div1-A Championship. (It's why it is now the BCS Championship)

 

[3yardsandacloud]

Yes I know Bill, just yanking your chain a bit. I guess the point is that the NCAA does not recognize a champion in D-1 Football. They do list other organizations that do, but that's not the same thing.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

"The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process." etc, etc.



Go to this NCAA page and plug in Ohio State. See how many championships we get credit for in football ... 0.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/champs_listing1.html


Syncro Swimming is classified as an "Emerging" sport:

http://www.ncaa.org/news/2004/20040426/awide/4109n07.html


The NCAA News -- April 26, 2004


'Emerging-sports' idea has yielded championship results


Four have gained NCAA postseason status others seek championship momentum

By Beth Rosenberg
The NCAA News

It's been more than a decade since the NCAA Gender-Equity Task Force identified nine emerging sports for women, and since that time some of those sports have grown into championship sports. Others, however, have languished with few varsity teams and little hope for championships in the near future.

The task force -- in an effort to bolster women's participation -- identified archery, badminton, bowling, rowing, ice hockey, squash, synchronized swimming, team handball and water polo as emerging sports. Of those, ice hockey, bowling, rowing and water polo have gained championship status, with rowing and ice hockey holding postseason events in more than one division.

The other sports have thrived at various levels, but few are close to gaining the 40 teams necessary for an NCAA championship.

"Considering the financial stresses on all athletics departments of the period since the group was meeting, I think that four out of nine (having championships) is pretty good," said Pacific-10 Conference Commissioner Tom Hansen, who served as a task force member. "I consider it a success."

Hansen said when the group looked at which sports to elevate to "emerging" status, they passed over niche sports played only in certain areas and focused instead on those that could be popular throughout the country.

"We wanted to create more national-championship opportunities for women at the NCAA level for sports that had a national following, and we wanted to encourage institutions to devote resources to them with the anticipation that they would become a national-championship sport," Hansen said.

... Blah, blah, blah




What does all that mean? Hell if I know.

 

[AJHawkfan]

Soooo, where does this money to pay athletes come from?

As much as I hate to say it, it would come from the non-scholarship's tuition, aka general fund - the same where the books, tutors, room & board, course fees, tuition etc. all come from.

Soooo, where does this money to pay athletes come from?

As much as I hate to say it, it would come from the non-scholarship's tuition, aka general fund - the same where the books, tutors, room & board, course fees, tuition etc. all come from.