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The Advantages of a High-Powered Offense?

LordJeffBuck

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Of course, there is already a thread on this topic (maybe several by now), but most of the emphasis of that thread has essentially been on the necessity of a high-powered offense to satisfy the fans' expectations. In other words, mosts of the posts have been from fans complaining that the Bucks' current offense is just too damned boring, even if it has been successful in winning most games (and even a national championship).

That got me thinking - is a high-powered offense really valuable, or is it merely window dressing to attract fans? Although almost every fan will readily spew such platitudes as "Games are won in the trenches" and "Defense wins championships", when it comes down to it, many of those same fans will moan and groan about how JT needs to hire a real offensive coordinator, that the Buckeyes need to be more creative on offense, that we need to take more risk, that we need more big plays, that we need a "sexy" offense like Texas Tech which can run up 80 points against a D-1A school....

It seems to me that a high-powered offense only has a real value to a football team in two cases: (1) if that team's defense is weak, then such an offense would be necessary in order to give the team the chance to win "track meet" games by scores like 45-42; (2) if that team wants to "blow out" the opponent. In Ohio State's case, a weak defense is certainly not a concern, and the Buckeyes' offense will probably never need to score six touchdowns in order to beat an opponent. So, would the Bucks derive any benefit from blowing out their opponents? Good question....

Advantages to Blow Out Victories

(A) Morale and Confidence. It is well known that every defense has the goal of shutting out the opponent; when the defense accomplishes that feat, the unit receives a boost of confidence and morale. Of course, the offense has similar, if less well-defined, goals, say scoring 50 points and racking up 500 yards of total offense. By reaching (or at least approaching) such goals, the offense would get a healthy dose of confidence which would carry it for several games, if not the remainder of the season. Nothing boosts morale like giving the opposition a good old-fashioned butt kicking!

(B) Ability to Play Young Players. When a team is up 42-7 in the third quarter, it has the luxury of getting the second- and third-teamers some valuable reps. Actual game experience is necessary for the substitutes' development, and it also keeps their spirits up - winning is great and all, but no one wants to ride the pines for 12 straight tight games; however, all the subs are standing next to the head coach when the game is a blow out.

(C) Poll Considerations. Yes, polls do matter, at least a little bit, and human voters are somewhat more likely to favor a team which blows out its opponents over one which wins a tight contest every week. Remember, the pollsters can't watch every game, and a 63-21 walk-in-the park just seems more impressive than a 21-17 squeaker.

(D) Recruiting Consideration. Yes, recruits do pay attention to such things. Of course, everyone wants to win consistently and play for a national championship, but would star receivers and quarterbacks really want to play in a Stone Age offense which struggles to score 20 points a game? I don't think so....

Disadvantages to a High-Powered Offense

Although a high-powered offense would increase Ohio State's chances for "blow out" victories, such an offense would also come with many disadvantages:

(A) Overconfidence. While a blow out may lift a teams' collective spirit, too many can lead to overconfidence. Just look at Oklahoma the past few years - they had plenty of blow outs against the cupcakes, but folded their tents against the tougher defenses during the championship runs.

(B) Character? Nothing builds confidence like a blow out, but nothing builds character like a hard-fought three-point victory. Let's face it, the essence of Tresselball is to make every game close, which forces both teams to play a near-perfect game - the team with better talent and more grace under pressure will almost always win. In my opinion, JT likes close games because it builds character and teaches the team how to win.

(C) Lack of Ball Control. The high-flying aerial circus may play well in perpetually sunny climes like SoCal or Florida, but in Big Ten country in November, you'd better be able to control the ball with a solid running game which can grind out chunks of yardage while burning up the clock.

(D) Mistakes. Obviously, a high-powered offense also comes with a high risk. Mistakes lose close games. A conservative offense makes less mistakes.

(E) Recruiting. While the receivers and quarterbacks like the high-octane offenses, no running back wants to go to college to learn how to pass block. And I imagine that most of the guys in the trenches would rather play smash-mouth football and flatten the guy in front of them than to run backwards while playing "paddy cake" with a defensive end with 4.6 speed.

(F) Who Cares About the Polls? If you win every game, no matter how ugly, you should be a national champ. Although the Bucks had a few blow outs along the way, have we already forgotten how ugly some of those wins in 2002 were? In regulation, the Bucks scored 23 against Cincinnati; 27 against Northwestern; 19 against Wisconsin; 13 against Penn State (with the only TD coming on defense); 10 against Purdue (thanks to Holy Buckeye!); 16 against Illinois; 14 against Michigan; and 17 against Miami. Not excatly high powered offense, but very effective nonetheless.
 
I agree with most of this.

We dont necessarily need to blow teams out. In fact I dont care if we do. However, we need to be able to take the ball, and move it down the field. ESPECIALLY against SDSU's. Our offense looks like a Palsy patient tryin to perform brain surgery with a pipe wrench.

You will eventually run into teams that can score on your defense. When this happens, if your offense cant go down and score right back, you are focked. See Texas, and 4 games last year :biggrin:
 
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(E) Recruiting. While the receivers and quarterbacks like the high-octane offenses, no running back wants to go to college to learn how to pass block. And I imagine that most of the guys in the trenches would rather play smash-mouth football and flatten the guy in front of them than to run backwards while playing "paddy cake" with a defensive end with 4.6 speed.
I think we would all consider USC as a high-powered offense but they do have nice balance between the run and pass. They don't seem to have problems recruiting RB's or any other position for that matter. People want to be associated with a winner.

I don't think high-powered means you have to be one dimensional like Texas Tech.
 
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It seems to me that a high-powered offense only has a real value to a football team in two cases: (1) if that team's defense is weak, then such an offense would be necessary in order to give the team the chance to win "track meet" games by scores like 45-42; (2) if that team wants to "blow out" the opponent.

How about the fact that the Hamby drop was far from the "play" that lost the game for us two weeks ago? We had THREE unproductive possesions in a row against Texas at the end of the game when we could have put the thing away. Up 22-16, and with three possessions in a row, the most we could muster was a 50-yard field goal attempt.

You present a false dichotomy between advantages of "blowouts" and disadvantages of a "high-powered offense." The dichotomy is between the advantages of an offense that can do what it wants with the ball (for the most part), and an offense that cannot.
 
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Hope I am not hi-jacking your thread, but I agree with Haberno.

Lots of folks have argued that the OSU offense is simply a dimension of Tressel-ball that we have to live with. Be conservative, don't make mistakes, let the D win games.

IMO the issue is whether we have an effective offense not 'high powered'. For most of JTs tenure we have ranked in the bottom half of the Big Ten in 3rd down conversions. We have ranked near the bottom in total offense and for three years now our running game has been sup-par.

I don't care if we are airing it out or not. But there is nothing in any coaches offensive philosophy that says when you shouldn't keep moving the chains - whether you do it on 3rd down or 1st down.

With all the controversey over whether Smith or Zwick is the better QB a better question might be why isn't either QB better than he is. Smith continues to have errors in judgement and Zwick errors in execution - despite both of them being elite eleven campers who are in their FOURTH year in this program.

By the same token we haven't developed a running back or effective OL since MC was here - and our coaching staff can't take much credit for 'developing' MC.

The last few games of last season were great. What I saw against Miami was wonderful. Couldn't ask for anything more. Texas I am willing to write off to a very tough D. But SDSU was too much like the struggles we have seen for the past three years.
 
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You present a false dichotomy between advantages of "blowouts" and disadvantages of a "high-powered offense." The dichotomy is between the advantages of an offense that can do what it wants with the ball (for the most part), and an offense that cannot.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no false dichotomy - I presented the advantages of a high-powered offense as being: (1) the ability to make up for a weak defense, which I stated was inapplicable to Ohio State which obviously has a strong defense; and (2) the ability to blow teams out. I then analyzed whether blow-out wins (the only benefit to a high-powered offense in the case of Ohio State) were really all that beneficial. Finally, I looked at the disadvantages of the high-powered offense as weighed against the sole advantage (blow out wins). Maybe this explanation will help you out, although the tone of your post seems to indicate that you have an agenda which won't be overcome by my attempt to clarify my position.
 
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I dont agree with the general premise that a high powered offense has to throw the ball all over the field, I just want an EFFECTIVE offense. Whether it be running the ball down someones throat like wisconsin or minnesotta or how nebraska used to do it, or spreading it out and and running people like USC and Florida.
Don't get me wrong, I love tressel as the main guy, and I love our defense and wins since he has been here, but SOMEONE on the offensive side of the ball is not doing their job. We have as much offensive firepower and talent at all offensive positions as much as anyone in the country. Why isn't our line dominating like you would expect with the players we bring in, and I'll give the backs a pass since the Clarett fiasco left us short a few years, but why havent any of our qbs seemed to mature into efficient pointgaurds or at least care tackers for all of this talent? I think our WRs are spectacular and run great routes, and seem to every year, so I guess its not hazell's fault. Maybe this is the wrong thread for this, but I am changing my tune based on this years performance, I want a new offensive Coordinator who can make this offense work, I dont care if he wants to shove it down someones throat or throw it 50 times a game (I would prefer a power running game still) I just want to be able to convert third downs and get a TD once we are in the RedZone.
 
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I then analyzed whether blow-out wins (the only benefit to a high-powered offense in the case of Ohio State) were really all that beneficial.

As far as a "high powered" offense, yeah I would agree with that. But I dont think we necessarily want a "high powered" offense, but moreso just an offense that can move the ball effectively. It is absolutely not too much to ask with the athletes that we get.

Think I just repeated what Oh8ch said, but there ya go.
 
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I hate to say it again but I think USC should be the model for what we want out of our offense and it's very much high powered. Look at what they've done so far this year.

66 rush attempts vs 63 pass attemts (can't get much more balance than that)
7.1/rush vs 12.5/pass
234/rushing per game vs 393/passing per game

Before anyone says, "Well, look at who they've played," I must ask, do you think there is any chance in hell we could do the same thing against the same teams? I don't. We've had our opportunity already this year and didn't capitalize.


RUSHING YARDAGE............... 468
Yards gained rushing........ 501
Yards lost rushing.......... 33
Rushing Attempts............ 66
Average Per Rush............ 7.1
Average Per Game............ 234.0
TDs Rushing................. 7
PASSING YARDAGE............... 786
Att-Comp-Int................ 63-43-1
Average Per Pass............ 12.5
Average Per Catch........... 18.3
Average Per Game............ 393.0
TDs Passing................. 10
TOTAL OFFENSE................. 1254
Total Plays................. 129
Average Per Play............ 9.7
Average Per Game............ 627.0
 
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Not often on Bucknuts do I find something worth repeating, but I saw this over there and thought it was hilarious.

DBF = Disgruntled Buckeye Fan

Tress: "You want playcalling?"

DBF: "I think I'm entitled"

Tress: "You want playcalling?"

DBF: "I want a wide-open offense!"

Tress: "You can't handle a wide-open offense!"

Tress: "Son, we play in a conference that has defenses, and those defenses have to be blocked by men with quickness. Who's gonna do it? You? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Clarett and you curse the playcalling. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that conservative playcalling, while tragic, prevents turnovers. And my playcalling, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, prevents turnovers. You don't want a wide-open offense because, deep down in places you don't talk about at tailgating, you want me on that sideline - you need me on that sideline. We use words like Discipline, Poise, and Decision-Making. We use these words as the backbone of a season spent accomplishing something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very undefeated season I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "Thank You" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a clipboard and stand on the sideline. Either way. I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to."

DBF: "Did you call those Power Iso plays?"
Tress: "I did my job!"

DBF: "Did you call those Power Iso plays?!"

Tress: "YOU'RE G** **** RIGHT I DID!"

http://mb15.scout.com/fohiostatefrm1.showMessage?topicID=42953.topic
 
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in my humble opinion, an effective offense can also help a strong defense in several ways. first, defenses do wear down if every series of every game is crucial because the offense can't score consistently. the mental and physical fatigue that comes with playing into -- and sometimes beyond -- the 4th quarter of every game can affect even the strongest of defenses. second, if the opposing team knows that our offense can and will put points on the board consistently, the pressure on them to score can cause them to make mistakes and become susceptible to turnovers and/or negative yardage plays. i don't ever expect the bucks to become "air coryell" or a team that throws 50 times a game, but a team that has as much talent as they seem to have ought to be able to move the ball consistently enough to strike some degree of fear in opposing defenses.
 
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It is possible to have BOTH. Why we don't hire help is beyond me. The CEO doesn't write the marketing plan. The Head Coach is NOT required to call plays.
Why do some of us believe "if we have a good defense, we can't have a good offense." This is the biggest crock of shit being spewed by some of our fans. tOSU CAN HAVE BOTH. Let's all take a deep breath... We can have both.
 
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(D) Recruiting Consideration. Yes, recruits do pay attention to such things. Of course, everyone wants to win consistently and play for a national championship, but would star receivers and quarterbacks really want to play in a Stone Age offense which struggles to score 20 points a game? I don't think so....

First, this is an excellent post and I agree with your overall logic. I especially agree with the point that it will only take couple of years of Tressel ball before more big, tough, fast backs like Major Simpson of Colerain put Michigan or Notre Dame ahead of OSU in their choices.

(C) Lack of Ball Control. The high-flying aerial circus may play well in perpetually sunny climes like SoCal or Florida, but in Big Ten country in November, you'd better be able to control the ball with a solid running game which can grind out chunks of yardage while burning up the clock.

I don't think anyone in Buckeye country wants to see a Texas Tech aerial circus. But we do want to see a half back who doesn't dance around, we don't want to see a QB who plays more like singlewing half back, a line that can't punch the ball in from the 20 using runs, options and short pass routes into the end zone.

(D) Mistakes. Obviously, a high-powered offense also comes with a high risk. Mistakes lose close games. A conservative offense makes less mistakes.

Mistakes? It's a mistake to go super conservative to the point that you don't make first downs, lose field position, fail to take time off the clock or pose any threat of scoring and putting the game out of reach. I don't know about others on this board, but that's what I'm bitching about. And if I'm not mistaken our D held Young in check: 1) until JT decided to pooch kick the ball just before half, giving the Horns field position at the 35 or 40, 2) until he went for a 50 yard wing-and-a-prayer field goal try with 5 minutes on the board. (sorry, that may be off your post logic, but I had just had to get it out)

(E) Recruiting. While the receivers and quarterbacks like the high-octane offenses, no running back wants to go to college to learn how to pass block. And I imagine that most of the guys in the trenches would rather play smash-mouth football and flatten the guy in front of them than to run backwards while playing "paddy cake" with a defensive end with 4.6 speed.

Again, I don't disagree with your thinking, but I think you overstate this case. We're looking for balance between the performance of the offense and the defense of this team... that's much more than just a balance between rushing plays and passing plays, rushing yards and passing yards. Unless I'm mistaken, this team seems to have as much talent on offense as it does on defense, but we're not seeing anything near "balance" in game performance and haven't since MoC left. It just doesn't make sense.
 
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First, this is an excellent post and I agree with your overall logic. I especially agree with the point that it will only take couple of years of Tressel ball before more big, tough, fast backs like Major Simpson of Colerain put Michigan or Notre Dame ahead of OSU in their choices.
Considering that we didn't even offer Mister Simpson, I wouldn't worry about not getting the backs. QB's and WR's may be another story.
 
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