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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 Ohio State 42, #2 Michigan 39 (11/18/06)

ScarletArrow;662088; said:
The basis for the CFN prediction is a little weak...I mean come on, what does '69, '93, or '96 have to do with 2006?

And if we're going to talk about history, let's talk '02 and a 4-1 record - that' more relevant that anything that happened in the series 10 years ago.

An couldnt agree more thats as useless as the stat the tsun has come to columbus 4 times undefeated and left 0-3-1...so how about that history??:oh:
 
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UM wondered who let the dogs out in 2004

RUSTY MILLER

Associated Press

The last time Michigan played at Ohio State two years ago, Buckeyes fans welcomed the Wolverines with obscenities and taunts - as usual. Then their bags were checked by drug and bomb-sniffing dogs upon arrival at the stadium in a pregame twist.
"When I first got off the bus, I was like, 'What's going on?' I thought maybe somebody had something on him, or something happened," Michigan DE LaMarr Woodley recalled. "I just saw everybody put their bags down, so I put my bag down. And after that, we went into the locker room."
Former Michigan coach Bo Schembechler, who underwent a recent procedure to help his heart function better, plans to watch the game on TV from his home. Schembechler might be upset enough to make the 3 1/2-hour drive to confront Ohio State officials himself if the Wolverines have to endure the same pregame shenanigans.
"If they embarrass the Michigan team like they did two years ago, somebody ought to do something about it," Schembechler said, still clearly angry. "They didn't do it to any other team, and they haven't done it to any other team this year. So by God, they had better not do that to Michigan, and you can take that back to them."
Two years ago, then-athletic director Andy Geiger, Ohio State assistant chief of police Richard Amweg and sports information director Steve Snapp all contended Michigan was subjected to the same search as other opponents who played in Ohio Stadium that year.
"This is all controlled by homeland security. Every team that comes in is checked," Snapp said in 2004. "Penn State was also checked by dogs because, like Michigan, they got there late."
Yet officials from Penn State and three other Ohio State opponents - Marshall, Wisconsin and Indiana - said their players weren't searched by dogs after getting off the team bus. Geiger countered that other teams were searched at their hotel before arriving at the stadium.
Carr, said "you have to move on" Monday when asked about the dog-sniffing issue.
At the time however, Carr said an Ohio State police officer told him the athletic department authorized the use of the dogs in the search.
Ohio State won the game 37-21, upsetting the seventh-ranked Wolverines even more.
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HIGH STAKES: Sure, No. 2 Michigan and No. 1 Ohio State have a lot on the line. But what about Minnesota and Iowa?
"We're playing for the pig," Minnesota coach Glen Mason said.
Floyd of Rosedale, a bronze pig, is up for grabs in that rival game.
In addition, Illinois and Northwestern meet for the Sweet Sioux Tomahawk, Penn State and Michigan State square off for the Land Grant Trophy and Indiana and Purdue try to take home the Old Oaken Bucket.
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HOW SOON THEY FORGET: When John L. Smith entered an elevator on the way to his last Michigan State news conference this week, a young woman from the marching band exited and said, "Thanks for a good couple of years."
Smith, who was fired earlier this month and is completing his fourth season in East Lansing, said, "What, she didn't know how long I was here?"
It didn't help a few moments later when one of Smith's favorite beat writers addressed him as "Tom." Smith laughed loudly and said, "What, you can't get my name right? I'm gone already?"
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OLD SCHOOL: You just know that Indiana's Terry Hoeppner hates the designated-hitter rule.
Some have argued that this year's wacky season again proves why a playoff system is needed in Division I-A football, the only college sport without a tournament.
Hoeppner disagrees.
"I remember seeing (Arizona basketball coach) Lute Olsen quoted one time, saying, 'Don't do in football what we've done in basketball, which is make the regular season almost meaningless,'" Hoeppner said. "I am truly old school. To me every game is a playoff game. ... You've got to play well the whole season, as we've found out around here, to become bowl eligible."
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HISTORICAL NOTES: Regarding the game between No. 1 Ohio State and No. 2 Michigan, the last time two Big Ten teams ...
_ ... ranked first and second in the polls met on the field was on Oct. 19, 1985, when top-ranked Iowa defeated second-ranked Michigan, 12-10.
_ ... were undefeated in conference play and squared off in their season finale was on Nov. 22, 1980, when Michigan defeated Ohio State, 9-3.
_ ... were undefeated overall (but not untied) and matched up in the regular-season finale was on Nov. 22, 1975, when Ohio State (10-0, 7-0) defeated Michigan (8-0-2, 7-0), 21-14.
_ ... entered the season finale with unblemished records in overall play and faced off was on Nov. 24, 1973, when Michigan and Ohio State played to a 10-10 tie.
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GOLDEN BOY: Minnesota was the only Division I school to recruit sophomore DE Willie VanDeSteeg, the Big Ten's defensive player of the week.
VanDeSteeg's mother, Cheire Ruzicka, told coach Glen Mason during the recruiting process that she was worried about her son's interest in motocross racing after he crashed once and broke both arms.
"I told him to give up that sport and take up a safe sport like football," she told the coach.
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QUICK-HITTERS: Ohio State QB Troy Smith and Penn State TB Tony Hunt shared Big Ten offensive player of the week honors, while Michigan WR Steve Breaston was honored on special teams. ... The meeting between Northwestern and Illinois will be the 100th, the Illini holding a 51-43-5 record in the series. ... Iowa QB Drew Tate wore a protective boot on his left foot in practice this week but is expected to play against Minnesota.
 
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LSU connections to Ohio State-Michigan game are strong
November 15, 2006

LSU coach Les Miles has an interest in Saturday's Ohio State-Michigan showdown. He played and coached at Michigan. (Dave Martin/AP)

By Glenn Guilbeau
[email protected]

BATON ROUGE -- If you do not see LSU coach Les Miles on the field in Tiger Stadium during pregame warm-ups at about 5:30 p.m. Saturday, do not be alarmed. He may still be in the locker room watching television.

If defensive coordinator Bo Pelini and secondary coach Doug Mallory are a little late to the field as well, they might be with Miles. Or if Pelini's on the field with a cellular phone, do not worry that he is talking to Michigan State about its head coaching job.


No. 1 Ohio State (11-0, 7-0 Big Ten) and No. 2 Michigan (11-0, 7-0 Big Ten) meet in the first 1 vs. 2 matchup in the 103-year history of what has been called the best football rivalry in America Saturday afternoon at 2:30 p.m. on ABC in Columbus, Ohio.

At 7 p.m., Saturday in front of no regional or national TV cameras, LSU (8-2, 4-2 Southeastern Conference) hosts Ole Miss (3-7, 1-5 SEC) in what used to be a great rivalry.

Miles, a native of Elyria, Ohio, played and coached at Michigan. Pelini, a native of Youngstown, Ohio, played at Ohio State. Mallory, who spent some of his younger years in Columbus, Ohio, when his dad Bill was an assistant under Ohio State coach Woody Hayes, played at Michigan against Pelini.

Their minds will be on LSU-Ole Miss, but their hearts will be in Columbus.

"I won't be able to watch it, but I might get some updates Saturday," Miles said.

"Maybe I'll get a chance to look at it," Mallory said, "but we'll be in meetings."

Since Sunday, the e-mails and calls have been hitting these three coaches.

"An ex-Michigan quarterback, John Wangler, called me this morning," Miles said Sunday afternoon. "I asked, 'How we gonna do?' He said, 'No question, we're gonna win.'"

Wangler played at Michigan when Miles was an offensive assistant there the first time in 1980 and '81 under Bo Schembechler. Nick Saban was the defensive backs coach at the time at Ohio State. The two assistants split two games with Michigan winning the first one 9-3 in Columbus and Ohio State winning the next year in Ann Arbor, Mich., 14-9.

As a player in 1974 and 1975, Miles lost twice to Hayes and Ohio State, 12-10 in Columbus and 21-14 in Ann Arbor. As an assistant for a second term under Schembechler from 1987 through 1989 and then under Gary Moeller from 1990-1994, Miles was 5-2-1 against Michigan. His total record vs. Ohio State: 7-5-1.

Even today, the game stirs up too many emotions.

"I could watch some of it Saturday, but I won't because I'll get too involved and distracted for our game," Miles said. "I can't do that. I promise you we'll be focused on the team we have to play. I will not watch the game."

But Miles said it like a kid during Lent says, "I will not eat candy."

Miles may not need to watch the game, though. He seems sure about what will happen.

"There's only one team "" it's Michigan," Miles said when asked about the game. "It's just that simple. And you can never analyze too much because it's a heart-felt decision. It makes no difference who has got what. I don't care. It's a Michigan day. Those winged helmets, they know how to operate in that stadium. They'll walk right in that stadium, understand it and play like hell. So I'm rooting for those guys."

Pelini, a star free safety for the Buckeyes from 1987-90, was 1-3 with three straight losses to end his career in the game. He has refused interviews this week.

Miles said he did not mind hiring a Buckeye like Pelini to coach his defense, and his former teammates did not criticize him for doing so.

"Not at all," Miles said. "They encouraged me to bring in some guys with, you know, lesser backgrounds and bring them along. Certainly, sometimes people are disadvantaged with an educational background and still are very capable."

Mallory, who is one of three brothers to play football at Michigan, was 3-2, counting his red-shirt freshman season, from 1983-87 and 2-2 while on the field.

He remembers giving up a touchdown to Ohio State star receiver Cris Carter in the 1986 game in Columbus like it was yesterday.

"It was third and 18 from about the 28-yard line," Mallory said. "They threw a post cut to Cris Carter and he just out-jumped me in the end zone. No it wasn't the game winner. Thank heavens no. We ended up winning 26-24."

Mallory said he and Pelini rarely talk about the rivalry, and he doesn't mind working for a Buckeye.

"The one thing I'll say about that rivalry, there wasn't much of a hatred," he said. "When you were a player at Michigan, it was more of a respect. You always respected Ohio State. It was always a good program."

But apparently it's not good enough this year.

"I always think Michigan's going to beat Ohio State," he said.

That was not always true, though. Mallory's father was an assistant at Ohio State when he was very young in the 1960s. The elder Mallory then replaced Schembechler as the Miami of Ohio coach in 1969 when Schembechler left to become Michigan's head coach.

"For me, it was always a special game having grown up in Ohio," Mallory said. "I grew up a Buckeye fan, but I had an opportunity to go to Michigan. Getting an opportunity to play in that game was certainly a great experience and one that I'll cherish for the rest of my life."
 
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Then their bags were checked by drug and bomb-sniffing dogs upon arrival at the stadium in a pregame twist.
"When I first got off the bus, I was like, 'What's going on?' I thought maybe somebody had something on him, or something happened," Michigan DE LaMarr Woodley recalled. .

His first reaction is to wonder which of his teammates carried drugs on his person to the fucking stadium, but we're the ones with a criminal team.:shake:
 
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Michigan Game Make or Break for Legacy of This Buckeye Season
By John Porentas

Great seasons are fragile things.

The Buckeyes and Wolverines will arrive in Ohio Stadium this Saturday with matching 11-0 records. One of them will leave at 12-0, the other at 11-1.
Nobody will have any problem saying that the team at 12-0 and with a shot at the national championship has had a great season. But what about the team that leaves 11-1?

If the loss were to come in any other game, the loser in Saturday's game could probably claim a good season at 11-1, but this is The Game, the Ohio State vs. Michigan game, and like it or not, a loss in this game sullies a season no matter what has transpired before or what comes after.
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"As sad as it is, that's true," said OSU senior defensive end Jay Richardson.

"You could play ten good games, then come to this one and play bad and that's how you're looked at because it's the last game of the season and because it's Michigan.

"That's just the way it is. This game is for all the chips, it's for everything. You want to perform well in this game because you understand that that's how people are going to remember you," Richardson said.
"It's kind of your lore," said OSU offensive lineman T. J. Downing.

"It's what you're going to be remembered as. And even though it may be a successful season, for the rest of your life you're going to think about that moment where you lost it," Downing said.

That is a very depressing thought really. Almost unanimously the Buckeyes we talked to admitted that a loss would blemish the season in a significant way, but almost none were willing to say that the season would be a total loss.

"You're not going to look back and say, 'Aww, the season was terrible.' You're going to look back and say, 'Man, I wish I could have won that M game.' I don't want to take anything away from what we've done so far this year bc we've played great teams and getting 11-0 is a huge," Downing said.

Considering his original statement Downing seems conflicted, and probably with good reason. It's a very tough pill to swallow for those who have compiled what to date is an excellent season, the notion that a season of such success and promise can be damaged in such a serious way on a single Saturday. The players slip into talking about how they will remember the season should they lose, and they always say that a loss will not diminish the season that significantly in their mind. What they know, and sometimes try to forget or deny, is that they will not be the only ones with memories of the season, and in the minds of everyone not on the field, a loss on Saturday probably turns a great season into "just a good one." A win or a loss in The Game makes or breaks a season, no matter how many wins or losses have come before or after.

"Yeah, it does," said Antonio Pittman.
"Especially up here (in Columbus).

"My freshman year we didn?t win a lot of games but we won this game. That was the hope. We still beat Michigan, the rest of the season was like, ?Who cares??" said Pittman.

"As long as you win this game (the season is fine)," Pittman said.
Conversely, a loss is devastating.

"Like the 2003 year, they won all those games but lost to Michigan," Pittman said.

"They went to the Fiesta Bowl and won, but it wasn?t a plus season. Some people would say we had a good year, but in people?s eyes we really didn?t," Pittman noted.
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Defensive back Brandon Mitchell didn't mince any words. The Georgia native has spent five years in Columbus as a member of the football program and has come to understand the impact of a loss in The Game would have on his final season as a Buckeye despite all the success to date this year.
"Every year this is the game that measures your season. So a loss to me, yeah. everything else will be done in vain if we lose this game," said Mitchell.
No matter which team losses, they will have to deal with a double whammy. The will always know that they were so close, but faltered at the last minute. Perhaps as painful will be the fact that their failure not only kept them from the promised land, but opened the door for the arch-rival to get to college football nirvana. That's a thought that will stick in the craw of players and fans alike. The losers will deal with that notion for years and it will overshadow any other winning that got done or gets done.

Fair? Hardly. Rational? Not in the least. Reality? Absolutely. The Game is that important. It really is.
 
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Any other team? Ohio State fans see only red

3:30 p.m. Saturday ABC, Ch. 22/WING-AM (1410)

By Laura Dempsey
Staff Writer

Thursday, November 16, 2006
Whoever said there are no stupid questions never asked an Ohio State football fan why they like the team.
"Why?" said Mark Leonard of Centerville, whose Buckeye necklace complimented a lovely set of red and silver beads. "What do you mean, 'Why?' This is Ohio."
"It's the best damn team in the land," according to Jacob Curtis of Kettering. "There is no other."
"We live in Ohio," shrugged Bill Hartman of Beavercreek. "We're just Buckeyes."
Before the Bengals and the Browns there were the Buckeyes, and Ohio's been their slave ever since that day in May of 1890, when they whipped Ohio Wesleyan. It's easy when the team's on top ? like now ? but Ohio State's faithful sees only red.
"I've never rooted for another team. Ever," said Leonard. "Never. Ever."
"They win, they lose, I'm there," said Mark Halpert of Fairborn. "I'll always be there."
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Buckeyes' Michigan memories never fade


By Tom Archdeacon
Staff Writer

Thursday, November 16, 2006

Jim Lachey remembers the exact moment the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry became crystal clear for him.
It wasn't in one of those four games he played against the Wolverines during his OSU career. It occurred when he was at St. Henry High ? being recruited by both schools ? and was visiting Ann Arbor.
"Michigan was playing South Carolina, who had George Rogers, and I wanted to see him play. The Big House was packed and as I'm there in the middle of all that, I hear them announce the OSU score. Ohio State was winning and I got real excited and it hit me. My heart wasn't in Michigan.
"I was a Buckeye."
He ended up an All-American Buckeye.
So did Keith Byars, the Roth High graduate who became one of college football's greatest running backs. Jan White was another OSU All-American. The starting tight end on two national title teams, he's now a Greene County Juvenile Court administrator.
Wednesday, White spoke by phone from Xenia, Lachey from Columbus and Byars from his home in Florida. While far apart, they all stood together on Ohio State versus Michigan.
"The greatest rivalry in college football," Byars said.
The three talked about what they expect Saturday when No. 1 OSU hosts No. 2 Michigan, and they recalled past games.
That's when Lachey remembered another crystallizing moment.
Junior season ? when UM won that 1983 game, 24-21 ? he told how the OSU team bus got "stuck" in Ann Arbor traffic and didn't get to the stadium until 70 minutes before kickoff:
"We got to the dressing room and the floor was all wet. There was water everywhere. And to sit on, there were like, old crates."
He started to laugh: "Now I'm not saying it was on purpose, but ..."
He got the message.
He was a Buckeye.
OSU coach Hayes fueled rivalry
It's one of the most talked about, controversial and quirky plays in what, arguably, is the grandest rivalry in college football ? and Jan White was right in the middle of it.
With Jim Otis' fourth touchdown of the day, Ohio State ? which would end the 1968 season as unbeaten national champs ? upped its lead to 50-14 on Michigan.
White, the sophomore tight end and an All-American two years later, trotted off the field with the OSU offense only to have Coach Woody Hayes shove them all back onto the field.
"I remember we were all in the huddle wondering what's going on and Rex (quarterback Rex Kern) gives us a crazy look and says, 'He wants us to go for two!' "
The memory made White laugh: "We didn't get it and when we came off the field, Woody was mad at us."
Later, when asked why he'd gone for two in the rout, Hayes snorted that famous line: "Because I couldn't go for three."
When Ohio State meets Michigan, there may be more sportsmanship, but there's never, ever any love lost.
"It's the greatest rivalry in college football," said Keith Byars, the Roth High product who was the Bucks' All-American running back in the mid-'80s before his long NFL career.
"I know Army-Navy is big. So is Alabama-Auburn and UCLA-USC, but those games don't compare."
Especially this Saturday at Ohio Stadium when the No. 1 Bucks and No. 2 Michigan ? both 11-0 ? meet for, as White put it, "the real national championship."
Game makes memories every year
The game is getting Super Bowl-type hype, but Jim Lachey ? the All-American offensive tackle out of St. Henry and later an All Pro NFL lineman ? said it's just a case of "the other 48 states finally catching on to what the other two know and experience every year."
And what is that?
"This is not one of those gray-area games," Byars said. "There's no straddling the fence. You're either for this side or that."
White ? now a Greene County Juvenile Court administrator, but originally from Pennsylvania ? said, thanks to Woody, it didn't take long to figure that out:
"From the first time we got to summer camp, we were practicing for Michigan. It went unspoken, but Michigan was always there."
Growing up in Dayton, Byars knew all about the rivalry but still was surprised by the intensity once he became a Buck:
"Freshman year each week was so big, you wondered how anything possibly could be bigger. Then came Michigan and it was overwhelming.
"I remember pictures of Bo Schembechler on the lockers and each one came with one of his 'quotes.' Actually, the quotes were fake, but when you're a freshman, you don't know.
"So on Tim Spencer's locker was Bo saying something like 'There were three great running back prospects. We got the best one and it wasn't Tim Spencer.' "
Lachey recalled his wide-eyed debut against Michigan:
"I was on special teams for the opening kickoff and it was electric. And it seems like the next thing I know, (Art) Schlichter's running into the end zone and we're going nuts.
"We'd already lost three games that year, but when we got back to High Street after beating Michigan we were champs again."
Byars remembers Coach Earle Bruce telling him: "This is the biggest game you'll ever play in. Any yards you get have extra value. Everything's double. So a two-yard gain is worth four. Five is 10 and losing five is like losing 10.
"It is the season's hardest-hitting game, but it's also the cleanest. I don't remember 15-yard penalties. Guys on both sides had too much respect for each other.
"Sure it's 'I hate you' and 'You hate me,' but we weren't dirty. Just knock a guy down, help him up, then knock him down again.
"These days some teams don't get it. So they stomp on the other team's logo, stuff like that, and that's not what a great rivalry is about."
While Woody was obsessed about Michigan and sometimes went to extremes, he also got tweaked now and then.
No one did it better than Kern, the brash, red-headed quarterback with the sweet face and gunslinger's arm.
"He was a character and kept us loose," White said. "Woody ran the offense and sent in plays, but Rex had his own mind.
"He'd get the play and wave back over to Woody as if to say, 'great play.' But then he'd lean into the huddle and say, 'We aren't running that. It didn't get two yards last time.'
"Then he'd smile and wave to Woody again before calling his own play. He drove the old man nuts."
Former stars eager for Saturday
All three of the former All-Americans will be at the game Saturday. Lachey's the color commentator for the radio broadcast crew. Byars may be in the press box, and White ? after stops at the Skull Session and a reunion-like visit to the Varsity O room ? will be in the stands.
First, though, he'll join former players on the field as they form the Tunnel of Pride, the human passageway for current Bucks headed to battle.
"Basically, all us old guys try to stay out of the way and not get stepped on," White said with a laugh. "These kids are so much bigger than when we played. But I'll tell you, when we get out there, our knees don't ache, our hips don't hurt as much. The enthusiasm transforms you.
"And this year, with everything on the line, I think it's the greatest matchup ever. It's going to be something. I can't wait.
"I just can't wait."
 
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OSU-Michigan opinions not scarce on the Web

Fans feel free to share their insight into big game.


By Kyle Nagel
Staff Writer

Thursday, November 16, 2006

In the Internet world, sports fans can taunt their rivals 24 hours a day from anywhere with an online connection. Message boards have become the new water coolers, where supporters for almost any team thinkable have a place to congregate and discuss their favorite players, coaches and the opposition with a wide array of typing skills and grammar.
It can turn ugly. It can even be silly.
A sampling of Ohio State-Michigan talk on Wednesday:
Ohio State
? "How many of us will be alive when Troy comes back to dot the 'i'???" ? Puke Turtle
? "Have seen several Meeshigan papers asking for a rematch after this one. Do they see writing on the wall for Saturday!!!" ? buck_12
? "If you average OSU's scoring O (35.82) and M*******'s scoring D (12.1), you get OSU 23.96; round to 24. Then you average M*******'s scoring O (29.36) and OSU's scoring D (7.8), you get 18.58; round to 19. I would argue that you can adjust M****** down 3 points for playing on the road, so make it 16. Anyone buying OSU 24-16 as a fair estimate of the final score?" ? osu_bill
? "Dickie V says OSU 27 scUM 19" ? RandomHero
? "It's been 1089 days since scUM last beat us. By Friday it will be 1091. On Saturday the Buckeyes have a three hour application process to see about an extention (sic) of 365 more." ? BellevueBuckeye
? "I am sure some of the decision-makers @ ESPN are scUMers & think they are going to ruin our season. They're WRONG!" ? Paydirt
Michigan
? "I only have one silly ritual the whole year . . . the day of the Ohio State game, I put on my pants both legs at the same time." ? Zoo Wolverine (In 1934, Ohio State coach Francis Schmidt, when asked how his team would compete with Michigan, said, "They put their pants on one leg at a time like everybody else.")
? "What Rose Bowl... Is there a game after Saturday?" ? Gr8Mckay
? "i go to college one hour south of C-bus, and it is living hell for me dealing with the cocky fans down here. one good thing i did was play teh (sic) u of m fight song on full blast(heard by the whole dorm) and locked my door and went to class for 2 hours! he he!" ? mgoblue06
? "Michigan 28, North Kentucky State 17" ? inedible_nut_hater
? "Hiking up Squaw Peak in Phoenix, on Friday, I was wearing my Michigan hat. My girlfriend and I noticed a middle-aged guy and a much older guy with a cane slowly making their way down. We let them go and as we started to head up the Peak, I heard him say 'Michigan, hissss. Go Bucks.' " ? zjgm02
 
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