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LONDON, April 2 (Reuter) - Most U.S. scientists do not believe in a god,
but 40 percent do -- the same percentage as did in 1916, researchers reported
on Wednesday.

The findings show that better and more widespread education has not
destroyed the need to believe, Edward Larson, a historian at the University of
Georgia and Larry Witham of Seattle's Discovery Institute, said.
In 1916, researcher James Leuba shocked the nation with his survey that
found only 40 percent of scientists believed in a supreme being. He predicted
such ungodliness would spread as education improved.
``To test that belief, we replicated Leuba's survey as exactly as
possible,'' Larson and Witham wrote in a commentary for the science journal
Nature.
``The result: about 40 percent of scientists still believe in a personal
God and an afterlife. In both surveys, roughly 45 percent disbelieved and 15
percent were doubters (agnostic).''
They surveyed 1,000 randomly chosen scientists listed in the reference book
``American Men and Women of Science,'' a later version of the 1910 work Leuba used.

The were asked whether they believed in a God who would answer prayers,
whether they believed in human immortality and whether they wished for an afterlife of some sort.

``Today, even more than in 1916, most scientists have no use for God or an
afterlife,'' they found.
``But to the extent that both surveys are accurate readings, traditional
Western theism has not lost its place among U.S. scientists, despite their
intellectual preoccupation with material reality,'' they wrote. ``Americans
will doubtless be pleased to know that as many as 40 percent of scientists
agree with them about God and an afterlife.'' There were notable differences
among the disciplines.
``The 1996 survey showed that mathematicians are most inclined to believe in God (44.6 percent),'' they wrote.
``And although biologists showed the highest rate of disbelief for doubt in
Leuba's day (69.5 percent), that ranking is now given to physicists and
astronomers.''
One scientist, asked whether he desired immortality, answered: ``It is
pointless to desire the ridiculous.''
Another said: ``But it would be nice.''

If those were the questions asked, I'd still like to know if they thought that a
power of some sort was the builder of the Universe, whether or not and independent
of the power of prayer and/or they went to Heaven when they died.

But that's just me.
 
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Muck;1213187; said:
Which I provided.

On a survey of National Academy of Sciences members only 7.5% of Astronomers self identified as believing in a god (79% identified as specifically disbelieving in a god).

Now please feel free to provide one supporting your claim that atheists could not have seen such photos.
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A God or The God?
 
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Muck;1213187; said:
Which I provided.

On a survey of National Academy of Sciences members only 7.5% of Astronomers self identified as believing in a god (79% identified as specifically disbelieving in a god).

Now please feel free to provide one supporting your claim that atheists could not have seen such photos.
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Try to pay attention. You quote my response about Scooter's post, not yours, so don't get the vapors and fall out.

My comment was a philosophical musing. Yes Muck, I admit that you could stare at all of the photos with toothpicks holding your lids open for roughly the amount of time that both Gunsmoke and the Simpsons have been on TV, including syndication, and still not believe in a God.

Happy?
 
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Muck;1213175; said:
Yet you let Gator's silliness pass without a similar calling out?
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He is a Florida fan and, therefore, beyond redemption. Buckeye fans can always Come to the Light.

By the way, Muck, thanks for the link to the (disquieting and disappointing) stat on the low level of faith among scientists. I was not aware of that statistic.
 
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Brewtus;1213173; said:
I think an Egyptologist might find that notion a bit insulting. The Egyptian Pyramids were constructed to be burial monuments, as evidenced by the tombs and hieroglyphs found in them.
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The Great Pyramid was the example the other pharoahs used to build their shrines. I was under the impression that there were no burial chambers in there - but I was wrong upon further review. Thanks for pointing out my obvious blunder.

This is headline news today :tongue2:

FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.


And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now".

Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe.

'Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.'

Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up | NEWS.com.au
 
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Bleed S & G;1213228; said:
This is headline news today :tongue2:

FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.


And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now".

Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe.

'Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.'

Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up | NEWS.com.au
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Mitchell has always been a bit of an unusual character and has a history of believing in some wacky ideas:

From Wikipedia:

Mitchell's interests include consciousness and paranormal phenomena. During the Apollo 14 flight he conducted private ESP experiments with his friends on Earth. [3] In early 1973, he founded the nonprofit Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) to conduct and sponsor research into areas that mainstream science has ignored, including consciousness research and psychic events.

Mitchell says that a teenage remote healer who lives in Vancouver and uses the pseudonym Adam Dreamhealer, helped heal him of kidney cancer at a distance. Mitchell said that while he never had a biopsy (the definitive test for cancer), "I had a sonogram and MRI that was consistent with renal carcinoma." Adam worked (distantly) on Mitchell from December of 2003 until June of 2004, when the "irregularity was gone and we haven't seen it since."[4]

Mitchell has publicly expressed his opinions that he is "90 per cent sure that many of the thousands of unidentified flying objects, or UFOs, recorded since the 1940s, belong to visitors from other planets"[5] and that UFOs have been the "subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and to create confusion so the truth doesn't come out."[6] In 2004 he told the St. Petersburg Times that a "cabal of insiders" inside the US Government were studying recovered alien bodies, and that this group had stopped briefing US Presidents after John F. Kennedy.[7] He has said, that "We all know that UFOs are real, now the question is, where they come from." [8]

On July 23, 2008 Edgar Mitchell was interviewed on Kerrang Radio. Mitchell claimed the Roswell crash was real and that Aliens have contacted humans several times but that governments have hidden the truth for 60 years stating "'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real". In reply, a spokesman for NASA stated "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe. Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue."[9]
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MaxBuck;1213222; said:
He is a Florida fan and, therefore, beyond redemption. Buckeye fans can always Come to the Light.
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True dat! But...shouldn't that be "go away from the light" and all. :p

By the way, Muck, thanks for the link to the (disquieting and disappointing) stat on the low level of faith among scientists. I was not aware of that statistic.
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My too pissy comment to Muck aside, that was a good cite. So thanks Muck. And thanks also to Brewtus for his link.

I wish I had access to the exact questions. I would not suspect fundamentalists in the house, but I would expect at least Deists/agnostics.
 
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