scarletngrey11
All right, all right, all right.
Tressel will do what ever is best for the team, and he knows what is best for the team more than any one of us.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Yeah I think someone said it best. Ginn's presence and capability on offense just makes Defenses pay so much attention to him that it opens it up for other guys. The thing is with our offense is that Gonzo is making HUGE plays and so is Holmes. Sooner or later the defenses are going to have to pay attention to Gonzo and even more so to Holmes which will allow Ginn alot more room to operate. I think as the season wares on we'll see Ginn get more involved each week due to the success of Gonzo and Holmes.
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daddyphatsacs
Let the cards fall...
Ginn had a couple of big plays yesterday on 3rd down. If I remember correctly he caught a couple of passes and made some defenders miss to gain the first. He returned a punt for a TD (which the block in the back was a junk call), and blocked very well yesterday.
Our defense is probably the best in the country, honestly I do not think he is needed on D in the fashion that Gamble was in 2002. Keep in mind Tressel only did that cause he HAD to, not because he wanted to.
Our defense is probably the best in the country, honestly I do not think he is needed on D in the fashion that Gamble was in 2002. Keep in mind Tressel only did that cause he HAD to, not because he wanted to.
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illinoisbuckeye
Heisman
if a kid comes in as the number two player in the country according to rivals and the number one cornerback in the country, you know he's going to be good. if we gave him so reps now and someone was to get injured or began playing really poorly, at least he will be ready. i think we should use him going both ways. on key plays, throw him in on defense and let him play something like 90% of the offensive plays as well as KO/PR. this way when he becomes a first round draft pick, he has a feel for all positions and will succeed in the NFL.
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AmeriBuck007
Honey, Frank the Tank is not coming back
I say No, IMO he should still be a full time receiver, he'll be making his prescense known just by being at the game..ie single teams from Santonio and ToGo. And its only a matter of time before he breaks a big one
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BuckeyePride
All-Ohio
did anyone see problems with our D or secondary? cuz I sure like it the way our D plays.
Ginn will be just fine with the O and sp teams
Ginn will be just fine with the O and sp teams
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BuckeyeFlorida
Resident Science Dork
Not Sure What to Think... About Ginn (Sporting News)
I know the topic of how we use Ginn has been covered, at least sort of
, but I ran across this article on the Sporting News. All in all, pretty mundane, up until the point that TD Sr (at least as quoted) calls Coach Tressel's statements about Ginn and his progress ridiculous. Not too mention toward the end of the articles, there appears the ludicrous and apparently mandatory, I'm desperate for attention, comparison between the Clarett Monologues and Ginn.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=willthebuckeyespullthetr&prov=tsn&type=lgns
Who is Brandon Schnittker, you say? More important to the Ohio State offense than Ted Ginn. Who is Anthony Gonzalez, you ask? See Schnittker, I say.
Four games into this season, one thing is clear: The Ohio State coaching staff is misusing Ted Ginn. The most explosive player this side of Reggie Bush has not been a factor in the Buckeyes' offense.
Ginn wowed us last season as a freshman with his sub-4.3 40 and thrill-a-touch ability. Now he bores us while his talents are wasted with safety-valve routes and go routes to clear the middle of the field that make him -- of all things -- a decoy.
Ginn scored eight touchdowns in 55 touches last season but has one touchdown this season -- against MAC patsy Miami (Ohio). And it gets worse: He has touched the ball just 18 times in four games, not including punt and kick returns.
"It's not about how many times I touch the ball," Ginn says. "We just want to win."
There are plenty of candidates for the Most Misused Club
Looking for other guys whose teams are making the least of their talents?
New Pittsburgh offensive coordinator Matt Cavanaugh favors keeping the chains moving with short, safe throws. Quarterback Tyler Palko's strong arm and aggressive attitude are better suited to deep crosses and long balls. The solution might be another misused Pitt player: wideout Greg Lee, whose deep speed and playmaking ability have been negated by the conservative offense.
Southern Cal running back LenDale White has complained about his lack of playing time (38 carries in three games). Coach Pete Carroll's response: There's the bench, LenDale. USC will need White to get the tough yards Reggie Bush can't get when the Trojans are in a short-yardage or grind-it-out situation. On any other team, White would be a legitimate Heisman Trophy contender.
Jason Allen returned to Tennessee for his senior season but only because the staff promised a move from safety to cornerback. Allen hoped the switch would improve his standing with NFL scouts, but after three games, it's obvious Allen should be a safety -- he struggles in coverage and is more valuable to the Vols as a run stopper.
After Ohio State pasted Iowa last week, it's hard to argue with that statement.
Unless, of course, we all remember that little game last month that likely cost the Buckeyes a chance at playing for the national title. You know, the 25-22 loss to Texas in which Ginn touched the ball three times on offense.
Three times.
The most anticipated regular-season game at Ohio State in decades. The most anticipated sophomore season in Columbus in decades. And Ginn touches the ball three times. The obvious question: Why?
Texas' defensive backs say Ginn isn't physical enough at the line of scrimmage, that he easily is knocked off routes and avoids contact. If you've seen the blocks Ginn has made in the running game -- especially last week against Iowa -- you know being physical isn't an issue.
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel says Ginn still is learning the nuances of the position, that he is "getting better in all phases." Ted Ginn Sr. says that's "ridiculous."
"That's just not true," says Ted Sr., who isn't your typical Little League dad -- his teams at Glenville High (Ohio) are annually among the best in a talent-rich state. "Ted has been running routes since he was 4. Anyone who says Ted doesn't know how to play receiver doesn't know what they're talking about."
I'm going to side with Ted Sr. on this -- with a caveat. Of course Ted Jr. knows how to play the position. Texas took him out of the game by using press coverage and rolling a safety over the top to allow the corner to gamble. But any offense -- double-team or not -- should be able to get a receiver open so he can get more touches. Especially someone with Ginn's talent.
An offense can run a stacked set of three receivers and use twists at the snap to "rub" one route -- and coverage -- off the other. It can use motion to avoid jams at the line. It can, if all else fails, use illegal picks to get a receiver free. Officials never make that call, anyway.
Run Ginn on reverses; get him direct snaps at quarterback. For the love of God, let him take a couple of snaps at tailback.
"If I had Ted Ginn," one Big Ten coach says, "from the moment we finished last season to kickoff this season, I would have told one assistant to find as many ways as possible to get him the ball."
It's that simple, isn't it?
Maybe the ever-conservative Tressel is concerned the Ginn hype could expand to Clarett-like proportions. Maybe he's taking it slow for that reason -- to protect team chemistry. If that's the case, that's incredibly shortsighted because Ginn has a different personality and demeanor than Clarett.
And because Ginn means too much to an offense that will need his dynamic ability in key road games against Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Certainly he means more than Schnittker or Gonzalez.
But you'd never know it by the way Ohio State uses Ginn.
Check that -- misuses him.
I know the topic of how we use Ginn has been covered, at least sort of
, but I ran across this article on the Sporting News. All in all, pretty mundane, up until the point that TD Sr (at least as quoted) calls Coach Tressel's statements about Ginn and his progress ridiculous. Not too mention toward the end of the articles, there appears the ludicrous and apparently mandatory, I'm desperate for attention, comparison between the Clarett Monologues and Ginn.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=willthebuckeyespullthetr&prov=tsn&type=lgns
Who is Brandon Schnittker, you say? More important to the Ohio State offense than Ted Ginn. Who is Anthony Gonzalez, you ask? See Schnittker, I say.
Four games into this season, one thing is clear: The Ohio State coaching staff is misusing Ted Ginn. The most explosive player this side of Reggie Bush has not been a factor in the Buckeyes' offense.
Ginn wowed us last season as a freshman with his sub-4.3 40 and thrill-a-touch ability. Now he bores us while his talents are wasted with safety-valve routes and go routes to clear the middle of the field that make him -- of all things -- a decoy.
Ginn scored eight touchdowns in 55 touches last season but has one touchdown this season -- against MAC patsy Miami (Ohio). And it gets worse: He has touched the ball just 18 times in four games, not including punt and kick returns.
"It's not about how many times I touch the ball," Ginn says. "We just want to win."
There are plenty of candidates for the Most Misused Club
Looking for other guys whose teams are making the least of their talents?
New Pittsburgh offensive coordinator Matt Cavanaugh favors keeping the chains moving with short, safe throws. Quarterback Tyler Palko's strong arm and aggressive attitude are better suited to deep crosses and long balls. The solution might be another misused Pitt player: wideout Greg Lee, whose deep speed and playmaking ability have been negated by the conservative offense.
Southern Cal running back LenDale White has complained about his lack of playing time (38 carries in three games). Coach Pete Carroll's response: There's the bench, LenDale. USC will need White to get the tough yards Reggie Bush can't get when the Trojans are in a short-yardage or grind-it-out situation. On any other team, White would be a legitimate Heisman Trophy contender.
Jason Allen returned to Tennessee for his senior season but only because the staff promised a move from safety to cornerback. Allen hoped the switch would improve his standing with NFL scouts, but after three games, it's obvious Allen should be a safety -- he struggles in coverage and is more valuable to the Vols as a run stopper.
After Ohio State pasted Iowa last week, it's hard to argue with that statement.
Unless, of course, we all remember that little game last month that likely cost the Buckeyes a chance at playing for the national title. You know, the 25-22 loss to Texas in which Ginn touched the ball three times on offense.
Three times.
The most anticipated regular-season game at Ohio State in decades. The most anticipated sophomore season in Columbus in decades. And Ginn touches the ball three times. The obvious question: Why?
Texas' defensive backs say Ginn isn't physical enough at the line of scrimmage, that he easily is knocked off routes and avoids contact. If you've seen the blocks Ginn has made in the running game -- especially last week against Iowa -- you know being physical isn't an issue.
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel says Ginn still is learning the nuances of the position, that he is "getting better in all phases." Ted Ginn Sr. says that's "ridiculous."
"That's just not true," says Ted Sr., who isn't your typical Little League dad -- his teams at Glenville High (Ohio) are annually among the best in a talent-rich state. "Ted has been running routes since he was 4. Anyone who says Ted doesn't know how to play receiver doesn't know what they're talking about."
I'm going to side with Ted Sr. on this -- with a caveat. Of course Ted Jr. knows how to play the position. Texas took him out of the game by using press coverage and rolling a safety over the top to allow the corner to gamble. But any offense -- double-team or not -- should be able to get a receiver open so he can get more touches. Especially someone with Ginn's talent.
An offense can run a stacked set of three receivers and use twists at the snap to "rub" one route -- and coverage -- off the other. It can use motion to avoid jams at the line. It can, if all else fails, use illegal picks to get a receiver free. Officials never make that call, anyway.
Run Ginn on reverses; get him direct snaps at quarterback. For the love of God, let him take a couple of snaps at tailback.
"If I had Ted Ginn," one Big Ten coach says, "from the moment we finished last season to kickoff this season, I would have told one assistant to find as many ways as possible to get him the ball."
It's that simple, isn't it?
Maybe the ever-conservative Tressel is concerned the Ginn hype could expand to Clarett-like proportions. Maybe he's taking it slow for that reason -- to protect team chemistry. If that's the case, that's incredibly shortsighted because Ginn has a different personality and demeanor than Clarett.
And because Ginn means too much to an offense that will need his dynamic ability in key road games against Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Certainly he means more than Schnittker or Gonzalez.
But you'd never know it by the way Ohio State uses Ginn.
Check that -- misuses him.
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Well, evidently Teddy Jr didn't learn much about WR since he was four because he was sloppy in his routes at the beginning of last year. He has improved his route running significantly since. The guy who wrote this is an idiot, and evidently hasn't noticed how the defenses are focusing on Ginn and scheming their formations to lock him down. Thus, his role as a "decoy" is pretty simple to understand...
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I think Teddy is beign used a little too much as a decoy, but when we put up 500 yards of offense and don't need Ginn, that's a different story. He won't continue to be used as a decoy, especially not in AA.
We lost the texas game because we didn't execute, Ginn included. How many more drops could we afford to risk by Ginn considering how low our offensive efficiency was already?
We lost the texas game because we didn't execute, Ginn included. How many more drops could we afford to risk by Ginn considering how low our offensive efficiency was already?
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SanAntonioBuck
RIP Our Friend and Hero
I agree with this writer in two areas. Let's run some reverses, let's see the Shot-Ginn. I want to see that formation in the red zone. Overall, he's a freaking moron!
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coxew
Heisman
I don't understand the fans who are so worried about Ted's numbers. This isn't the Ted Ginn Jr. show, it's The Ohio State Buckeyes. With the exception of one game, which Ginn dropped a couple balls, the team is winning. Who cares if it's Pittman, Smith, Holmes, Gonzo, or Ginn that is getting the stats? It's a team game. Somehow, people get satisfaction by putting Ted up on the "elite" pedistal along with Reggie Bush and now they can't do so since he's not getting the touches.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
This was probably the part that was meant to worry us the most, I take it?
I think this is a debate manufactured by the writer for the purpose of publication, with mutually exclusive quotations obtained under different circumstances and with differing premises.
My take on this is that SN spoke with JT and asked about Ginn Jr.'s rate of use and development.
Later the same writer gets Ginn Sr. on the phone and says he has heard some or someone claim that Teddy is still a work in progress at WR.
The Glenville HC and sire of Teddy Jr. then utters his quote.
Notice what is missing here - (and it is missing IN the article itself) any assertion by Ted Ginn Sr. that JT does not know what he talking about.
Notice also that JT's quote is one that speaks to continued development (surely true of all WR at OSU, probably outside of Holmes), not a reconstruction project - which is closer to what Sr.'s quote responds to.
I really don't have the impression from anything Ginn Sr. has put in print before that he is afraid of saying exactly what is on his mind. So, if the writer had asked him for reaction to an implied, but curiously not quoted assertion by JT that so thoroughly denounced his son's capabilities (which JT's actual quote does not do), I think that the blistering response would have been different in nature from that which was actually quoted. I.e., Ginn Sr. would have clearly expressed his surprise with the (implied) source of the criticism of his son's WR skills.
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doubleEbuck
Junior
this guy might have more of an arguement if our offense was stuck scoring only 10 or 12 points a game. and our offense wasn't exactly hurt this weekend by ginn not having a lot of touches. just proves our O can be successful w/o teddy.
that being said, i would feel a lot better if he was getting the ball and making plays. i just keep telling myself, it will come, it will come...
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