WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[Steve19]

But one thing that I think is a problem on BP, is that there is an incorrect definition of "bashing". If I said. "Pryor sucks, he will never get better, bench him". That is bashing. However, not being 100% positive seems to be considered bashing by several mods/admins/etc. I have NEVER bashed TP, JT, Brutus, Joe Germaine, Earl Bruce, or any other Buckeye.

Actually, I think we are all onsides when it comes to what is bashing and what is not. Critical evaluation that focuses on an issue and not a generalized criticism of the person is fine.

And, again, I was not suggesting you bashed anyone, just observing the difference about the conversations here that I truly appreciate.

As for the "saving" issue, I saved myself for a long time. My advice is that it doesn't work out. Once you have them, they can never live up to your mental image of what it would be like once you catch them. :)

 

[jwinslow]

That is basically it. But I have never seen a natural athlete QB turn into a natural pocker passer. Not ever. Troy would be the closest thing to it, but I personally saw him as a natural passer from the start. at least more so than a runner

Troy could throw a great ball, he just had no patience, vision, understanding of the offense when he started (not to mention throwing every ball 100 mph).

Its like they want to reinvent the wheel, before converting that wheel into a college athlete. Does that make sense? Hard to put what I am thinking into words

Are you saying they want to re-invent how TP plays rather than just develop him around his strengths and weaknesses? I'd say that's probably true.

Thing is, until the last few games, he really hasn't had anything to hang his hat on. He's a special runner who doesn't want to run (see Purdue bomb and countless others) and is timid when he runs between the hashes. The last few games weren't against very good opponents, but there was more aggression and attitude behind his runs, particularly how he finished the last 5-10 yards.

Troy could throw a great ball every now and then, but would lock onto his first read and then take off scrambling. That's what he did well, sometimes finding a target after relocating, usually just running. As he progressed - and bulked up - he was more effective as a mobile passer than a passing runner, and they designed the offense for that skillset.

They were only baby steps the last few weeks given the competition, but I'd be thrilled to see him contiue to attack the next 3 opponents. He doesn't need to be a great passer, and he never will be, but he needs to take it to the opposition rather than reacting to what they do to him.

I'm hoping we see a no-huddle set against UM if no one else. TP still isn't executing well, but he's a dramatically different player when the tempo is sped up. This is apparent in practices and games.

 

[mooktarr]

Yeah, nothing against JB, but today was a good showing of why people who were calling for TP to sit after Purdue were considered by me to be out in left field, on the whole.

You have to really watch those wholes out in left field, you could break a leg in some I've seen.

 

[ScarletInMyVeins]

Daniels was diagnosed before Troy's 06 season.

Todd's regression was not just a change in QB coaching. It was the result of playing better defenses (and no, PSU's wasn't that great in 07, see IU's 31 the week before and MSU's 35 a few weeks after) and the pressure getting to him mentally.
He could, or Terrelle could continue to struggle in his progression as a passer. Sic isn't working with a natural passer who needs to work on little things to become special. He's working with a strong athlete who is a very unnatural passer.

I thought Daniels continued to coach after his diagnosis, and fully stepped down last year. Maybe my memory is a little fuzzy, but I thought he contunued coaching the QB's until he just couldn't physically do it anymore.

 

[BrutusMaximus]

They were only baby steps the last few weeks given the competition, but I'd be thrilled to see him contiue to attack the next 3 opponents. He doesn't need to be a great passer, and he never will be, but he needs to take it to the opposition rather than reacting to what they do to him.

Agree completely there. And as others have mentioned, the running game has not helped him at all. Again, you have to not even look at the last 2 weeks, because of the defenses they were going against. The run plays are still entirely too slow to develop, the I-form pulling of the guards is the same, and they look lost running out of the shotgun. We can argue all we want about whether it's the backs, the O-line, the coaching, the height of the grass, or the swing flu causing it, but it's a problem in my eyes. TP is tryin to learn back there, and we dont have alot of balance against anybody with a decent defense.

Oh, and in my book, Hall is the best back we have, hands down. Or is that bashing?

 

[jwinslow]

Oh, and in my book, Hall is the best back we have, hands down. Or is that bashing?

Bashing is saying Lydell Ross couldn't find a hole in a pound of swiss cheese. Saying Pittman should start because he shows much better vision and hits the hole harder is not.

As a runner alone, I think Hall has been as impressive as anyone, particularly with his ability to make something out of nothing. The concern is whether Jordan can handle the blocking duties to be a full-time back. He needs meaningful carries in November if they are to win.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

interesting.

then again its the chicken vs the egg theory.

it seems either one will work, run to set up the pass, pass to set up the run.

however the problem is glaring, no one respects ohio states ability to throw the ball, at all, zero, zilch. terrelle had a couple of nice passes yet probably had the worst throw ive seen at any level of football in a long time. the throw to sanzo over the middle in the first qtr. that ball was off the mark by 30 minutes, john glenn didnt have that much hang time in his mercury mission... sanzo made a great play to break it up. i think sometimes we assume progress comes, sometimes it doesnt, sometimes its slow to come. i think in a post after ive quoted josh talks about the hesitancy of pryor, id agree, yet not playing tentative doesnt always mean lowering your shoulder and taking the hit. pryor has been marked by sluggish decision making and being tentative, at times his mechanics it seems struggle do to that. he gets busy feet, he fails to get them under his body, to use them, to drive, or to even set and square his body. i think somewhere along the line it banging a square peg into a round hole may not be the best option. maybe its time to evolve the offense further, or look elsewhere, granted other options seem limited and depth appears to be an issue. then again its a team game and more than handful of other players have been disappointing and even augmented the struggles.

we shall see how he does this week, in the recent history joe pa has done a very good job with osu qbs and vastly limited there effectiveness. big week. and hopefully the "injury" or whatnot is not such a large issue.

 

[kolOhioState88]

Bashing is saying Lydell Ross couldn't find a hole in a pound of swiss cheese. Saying Pittman should start because he shows much better vision and hits the hole harder is not.

As a runner alone, I think Hall has been as impressive as anyone, particularly with his ability to make something out of nothing. The concern is whether Jordan can handle the blocking duties to be a full-time back. He needs meaningful carries in November if they are to win.

i think hall looked good in a lot of passing situations last week as a blocker

 

[leroyjenkins]

i think hall looked good in a lot of passing situations last week as a blocker

Youre right. I remember one in particular where he up-edned an Aggie and planted him into the ground. Then BB73 said that would earn him more PT. LOL.

 

[Buckeneye]

i think hall looked good in a lot of passing situations last week as a blocker

New Mexico... and that's about all I've got to say about that.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

New Mexico state... and that's about all I've got to say about that.

fify

 

[MaxBuck]

... How does someone like Zach Collaros step in for Cinci, probably playing 10 plays in the 2 years he has been there, and immediately looks seasoned.

Well, for one thing, he's playing in the Big East. If Pryor could face Big East defenses instead of Big Ten defenses, he'd look a lot more seasoned too.

 

[MaxBuck]

... He doesn't need to be a great passer, and he never will be ...

Utterly unsupportable. You can't know that.

 

[jwinslow]

Utterly unsupportable. You can't know that.

I don't think he has a chance of becoming a great passer like Brees or Manning. That doesn't mean he can't become an effective passer and a great QB.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

He does. I keep bringing up another point. I hear everybody saying "well Pryor is young, he is still learning, he has only been there 2 years. Etc, Etc. How does someone like Zach Collaros step in for Cinci, probably playing 10 plays in the 2 years he has been there, and immediately looks seasoned. He is just one example. And he was NOT a heavily recruited QB out of HS. I have to say I am having doubts as to how incredible TP is going to become. And trust me, I hope to hell I am wrong, but I just dont see it at all right now.

You can point out his games against Minnesota and NMST. I will say right back, it was against Minnesota, who looked HORRIBLE defensively, and against a pretty awful NMST team. Also dont think he looked that great against either.

1. Rates of development always vary. You bring up Zach Collaros(who's only played 2 games, BTW. Lets see if he can sustain this success for another season). I'll bring up Vince Young.

2. How polished was Zach coming to Cincy? The coaches have basically had to perform reconstructive surgery on Pryor's technique.

I don't think he has a chance of becoming a great passer like Brees or Manning.

Chances he does are probably less than .01% but you see glimpses of that capability. He can throw a perfect deep ball.