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Game Thread #2 Ohio State vs #3 Clemson, 8 pm ET, Dec 28th in Glendale, AZ

Discussion in '2019 Football Season Capsule' started by Coleman Bazen, Dec 8, 2019.

  1. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.



    Tim Kane had to pick up his daughter from her part-time job during the third quarter of this year’s Fiesta Bowl between Clemson and Ohio State –– the team he’s rooted for his whole life as a Columbus native and Westland High School graduate.

    The Air Force intelligence officer turned economist and researcher heard the now infamous overturned ruling of senior safety Jordan Fuller’s “scoop and score” touchdown on the radio –– a broadcast that Kane said “didn’t make it sound that bad.”

    But when Kane returned to his California home, he found his son had a different reaction.

    “My son was losing his mind. He’s like, ‘Dad, they just changed the game!’ Yeah, OK, this happens,” he said. “So I literally watch the entire game, and I didn’t know it was such a plain catch and fumble and touchdown until the game was over and they were reviewing it, and it kind of shook me up. I was like, ‘How can that happen?’”

    It was a question that stuck with Kane, who holds a doctorate in economics as a senior researcher at the Hoover Institution, a public policy think tank at Stanford University.

    It stuck so long that he decided to merge the world of sport into his research for the first time ––– designing an online survey study in which participants make their own judgments on controversial refereeing decisions from this year’s college football bowl season while taking into account several factors of personal bias.

    “I’ve always thought refereeing, with these reviews, is fraught with human error,” Kane said. “I was just shocked. The Ohio State game had a good half-dozen plays that were sort of shockingly, poorly called — or at least controversially called. In the back of my mind, I’ve always thought, ‘Is there a technological way to address this?’”

    Despite referee Ken Williamson saying he and his crew had “a lot of good looks” at the call, Fuller’s comments after the game implied that human error was afoot once again.

    “I’m not paid to be a ref, but it looked like [Clemson sophomore wide receiver Justyn Ross] caught it to me,” Fuller said.

    It isn’t just plays from the Fiesta Bowl featured in Kane’s survey, though.

    Participants are asked to watch video clips of nine plays and evaluate them. Plays include five from Ohio State’s meeting with Clemson, three from the National Championship between LSU and Clemson and one from the Michigan-Alabama matchup in the Citrus Bowl.

    The purpose of the study isn’t only to come to a public consensus on the quality of certain officiating decisions, but to test for the potential bias of respondents based on a number of self-reported categories –– including team affiliation, age, gender and political preference.

    “We’ll find out if Buckeye fans are more or less biased than say Michigan fans or Alabama fans or Clemson fans,” Kane said. “We’ll find out if there’s a regional bias or an age bias or a political bias.”

    A former congressional candidate in Ohio, Kane has written several books on economics, and his survey work on U.S. Military Academy graduates for his 2012 book “Bleeding Talents” led him to testify before the Senate for its findings regarding the Army’s personnel system, he said.

    But for the first time in his six-and-a-half years as a senior researcher at Stanford, Kane said he found an opportunity to do something outside his normal wheelhouse.

    “It just hit me that I could combine the two in this study and see if Republicans are more biased toward their home teams, or Democrats, or maybe both are, and you find independents are less biased,” Kane said.

    Outside any political indications the results of the study might have, Kane said he envisions a future in which an app could allow viewers to weigh in on calls in real time –– a minute or two after a call is made on the field –– in order to crowdsource college football officiating.

    “If 80 percent of Clemson fans and 90 percent of Ohio State fans think a call was bad –– and it goes against Clemson –– I mean, that’s pretty revealing,” Kane said.

    The calls in the Fiesta Bowl might have been a tipping point, but Kane said he’s had the idea in his head for more than a decade.

    “We’ve all seen football games and gotten frustrated, and now there may be scientific proof that some plays are literally bad, and we can measure how bad they are when we develop this methodology because we can control for team bias,” he said.

    The survey is his first step, though, and Kane said he still needs a couple hundred more respondents for the analysis to gain statistical significance.

    For those Buckeye fans locked in debate with those of the Wolverines, Tigers or Crimson Tide about fanbase supremacy or knowledge, they might soon have a leg to stand on.

    “I just wanted to learn and see if Ohio State fans are all that bad,” Kane said. “I tend to think we’re gonna be smarter than any other fans, but science will tell.”

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    See "survey" link to take the survey.
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2020
  2. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    I took the survey, which showed several controversial calls from the recent postseason. I remembered almost every play as the clips started, so I knew what calls were actually made. I'm glad they're doing the research, though.
    BayBuck, buckeyeintn and brodybuck21 like this.
  3. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    tsun fans aren't biased.

    They are fucking stupid.
  4. Onebuckfan

    Onebuckfan classof76

    They are entitled. They think tOSU has institutional advantages and want the NCAA or Big 10 to fix the inequality. It’s ANN ARBOR for Gods sake.
  5. Don Muenz

    Don Muenz Different season, same era of greatness

    I am just very thankful that I did not have mouthful of what I was drinking when I read this!!!!!

    Great humor on a very slow Saturday evening. Thank you!

    And, FYI, I just took the survey, too.
  6. scarletmike

    scarletmike Researching the Magic!

    Just took the survey and now I'm livid about the damn call again. Fuck the SEC replay office staff with a rusty rail.
    BuckeyeSoldier likes this.
  7. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    In case you wondered and wanted to read it too; here is Part !:

    Last edited: Mar 21, 2020
  8. mendensa

    mendensa Senior

    Can't help it. Whenever something surfaces in this thread, there's still a bit of "whaf if" that creeps in for me.
    Jake and TS10HTW like this.
  9. Systems_id

    Systems_id Senior

    Replace "what if" with "seething, irrational anger" and that's me.
    Jake, TS10HTW, gmen6981 and 4 others like this.
  10. Onebuckfan

    Onebuckfan classof76

    The fact you might never see another college football game should at least give you pause,
  11. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Not turning this into a political thread, but there's no way in hell that college football and sports in general is not returning 100% and with a vengeance...
    ScriptOhio likes this.
  12. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    I agree, the only thing in question is the actual date of each sports return. The coronavirus pandemic is a "fluid" situation and at this point in time nobody really knows for sure how long it will take for it to "run it's course". Rest assured though, it will run it's course and there will be college football again. The other reality is that when college football resumes, scUM will still SUCK.
    Jake, mendensa and brodybuck21 like this.
  13. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

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  14. buckeyboy

    buckeyboy Taller than most...

    Fuck Bill Lemonnier
  15. Systems_id

    Systems_id Senior

    In light of the news that’s about to come out, triple fuck these refs.

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