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2004 Pre-Season Practice (official thread)

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Maybe I used the wrong word. What I meant was their looks on the field, what they can do for you. I know this is another, "He must be a racist", comment but whatever.

A CB must have

1) Confidence- In his ability, and ability to shut down, or at least stop the WR he is going up against. No doubt in his mind, he is better than that WR

2) Quickness- He must be quick. That comes with taking short strides, good balance, good technique, and God given talent. This alows you to make a good brake on the ball so you get a well timed hit, a hand on the ball to knock it away, or hopefully and INT.

3) Closing speed- This is football speed. If you get faked or juked out on that rare occation, you need to have closing speed which allows you to get back into postion while the ball is in the air. Most of the time when a reciever looks up at the ball they slow down a little bit. If you do the techniques and have the talent that make you quick then you should be able to make up the ground you lost.

4) Smarts- Know what help you have behind you so you know when the risk will work. If you are on an island you don't break until you see the ball. IF you are quick you can still make a good hit or maybe knock the pass away.

5) Straight Speed- This is just to say your CB has got to be fast.

6) Good open field tackler- If a WR happens to make a catch, be it your man or not, you need to be able to wrap them up and take them down. Also helpful on sweeps, and blitzes.

I am probably missing a few things but this is what comes to mind first. Fox has 4-6, no question about it. #1) he has sometimes maybe, but not to the level a great one would have. The reason that confidence isn't there is because he doesn't have 2-3.

Hopefully that makes things clearer.
 
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Not to jump on the bandwagon here, Killer, but Fox DOES have closing speed. And, he has the greatest ability I've seen in recent history to knock the ball away from the receiver. Not even before the ball gets TO the receiver, but after the receiver has made, or almost made, the catch. Fox puts himself in great position, and I know I've seen him knock the ball out of the WR's hands on multiple occasions. His closing speed is actually what has gotten him into trouble on a lot of his PI penalties. He has excellent vision and ball awareness, and more importantly, he ALWAYS knows where he is on the field, and what his situation is.

You take all these things out of the equation, and Fox is still a hell of a CB because he doesn't give up the deep scores. You look at last year's stat's, and Fox was a significantly better CB than Gamble. Gamble was the one who got torched deep, on more than one occasion, while Fox NEVER did. Criticize a player all you want, but what it comes down to, for a defensive player, especially a CB, is points allowed. Fox gave up a couple short scores, but NEVER anything deep, and you NEVER saw a huge momentum shift because of his play.
 
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I don't know (only because I haven't really thought about it) about Fox at the field corner spot, but I really like him at the boundary corner. No complaints, here. I'll even take an interference penalty now and then, especially if it's assessed for delivering a bone-jarring hit that makes the receiver think the rest of the game.

As for the rest of the article, I'm glad to hear that Santonio looks that good and I look forward to seeing more PT from EJ.
 
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KillerNut said:
...Most of the time I agree with what you have to say, but not on this. I also didn't agree with playing McM over CK and I believe you did. You wanted to sit a National Champion QB in that argument, so I don't see how you can say because I want to MOVE a soft cover corner to the position he was recruited to play, and is best suited to play at Ohio State and at the pro level, that I am the the idiot...My opinion, lets move on.
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At least get my position on Krenzel/McMullen right before using it as a n example. My position was that McMullen needed to get more time in during games in case Krenzel got hurt (which lo and behold he did, twice). I never said that McMullen deserved to start over Krenzel, although I did feel that he should've stayed in the Michigan game because he was far more effective than Krenzel (and not just because Krenzel was hurt).

Just because someone is recruited to play a certain position doesn't mean he should play there or even that it is his best position. There have been many examples of players moving around and being drafted at that new position. Now, am I insinuating that Fox will be drafted? No. But, he is hardly "only serviceable" at corner. He is very good at the position and has been put there by people far more in the know about football than us. It is clear to all of us than you have issues with Fox for some reason...let it go.
 
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OSU Rob said:
Milani check your facts- the Illini had 6'5 Walter Young AND 6'3 Aaron Moorehead. However, it was Young that mostly torched Fox.

EDIT: They also had 6'2 Brandon Lloyd.
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Uh, I did check them...seeing as Young was the only guy that Fox had problems with, he didn't have trouble with "all those tall receivers". I think my statement stands.
 
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It's About the "D"

Guys, instead of making this a subjective argument that nobody can really win why don't we look at objective facts... Fox was the corner during our championship season and held the job last year when we could have gone back to the national championship had it not been for Gamble being burned by Evans at Madison, Antaj Hawthorne blowing up our line at Madison, the collective D not containing Chris Perry at Michigan, and JT's decision to go with loyalty as opposed to the hot hand when he stuck with Krenzel at the end of the Michigan game. The coaches say they keep Fox at corner because he's the best tackler of all of them and no ball gets over his head. We are the Ohio State University. We put a premium on stopping the run. I'll go one step farther and say it would be a joke to put Underwood, Youboty and especially Ted Ginn on Fox's side of the D because of they'd never be able to take the pounding then get back up and be set for coverage. Our defense is not geared to have two Underwoods, two Ginns, two Springs, etc. We always have had and will always need one physical corner. That's why Jacobs, not Yobouty backs up Fox and also why Youboty can't beat Fox for the job. If the Fox detractors had a football team, maybe Fox wouldn't have been a starter, but for our defensive scheme I think the coaches are getting it right. I don't know about you guys but I like the results.
 
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This thread sure has sparked alot of critique over Dustin Fox and his capabilities
of the position that he has played for, the past 3 years. And yet I see no one has moved him around other than alot of us here in BucPlanet and yes over in BucNuts. The criticism of Fox is very unfair because he is only doing what the coaching staff is asking of him. And yet we have people in this thread seeming to know his position better than him. Its easy for all of us to sit in the stands or before a TV broadcast and sit in judgement of the man and then offer our un-baised opinion of his performances. I seem to remember his uncle when he played for Ohio State and what an athelete he was and how he played with attitude and heart. Don't think for one minute that Dustin Fox has not wanted to play great in his Uncle's footsteps. He may have gotten beat a couple of times in the Illini game of 2002. But when you play at corner you better have a short memory, forget it and move on man. If you dwell on the past too much you are going to get burned over and over again. I hope Killernut can get the drift of this message. Let it go man.
 
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