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2004 Senior Class

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by Morty, Oct 27, 2004.

  1. Morty

    Morty Newbie

    Last year we had 14 out of 19 seniors on scholarship get drafted. I believe Bobby Britton, Fred Pagac Jr., Maurice Lee, Scott McMullen, and Bryce Bishop were the exceptions. This year, we have 12 seniors who have been on scholarship at Ohio State for the duration of their career. However only four are probably locks to be drafted in the NFL (Fox, Fraser, Joe, and Nugent). Going from 74% of your seniors being NFL caliber players to 33% (maybe a little higher I’m not an NFL GM) is a serious downgrade.

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    Looking back at our 2000 and 2001 recruiting classes it’s pretty obvious why we are having a down season. These classes would contain players in their 4<SUP>th</SUP> or 5<SUP>th</SUP> year in the program, which should be the core of your team. Of the 35 high school recruits that made it on campus from 2000 and 2001, 8 have been drafted already, 15 are still on the team, and 12 left the program (“left the program” is very generalized statement). Back-to-Back bad recruiting years like that is probably a good reason for why we are struggling this year.


    Players still on the team

    Brandon Joe (2000)

    Bam Childress (2000)

    John Hollins (2000)

    Harlen Jacobs (2000)

    Jason Caldwell (2000)

    Josh Huston (2000)
    Simon Fraser (2001)
    Dustin Fox (2001)

    Mike Nugent (2001)

    Ryan Hamby (2001)

    Marcus Green (2001)

    Lydell Ross (2001)

    Maurice Hall (2001)

    Brandon Schnittker (2001)

    Reggie Arden (2001)


    Players who left the Program

    Sam Maldonado (2000)

    Marco Cooper (2000)

    Terry Pogue (2000)

    B.J. Barre (2000)

    Andrew Lee (2000)

    Jamal Muhammad (2000)

    Rick McFadden (2000)

    Angelo Chattams (2001)

    JaJa Riley (2001)

    Ryan Cook (2001)

    Adam Olds (2001)

    LeAndre Boone (2001)


    Players who went to the NFL

    Will Smith (2000)

    Michael Jenkins (2000)

    Alex Stepanovich (2000)

    Darrion Scott (2000)

    Will Allen (2000)

    Shane Olivea (2000)

    Robert Reynolds (2000)

    Chris Gamble (2001)

  2. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Excellent post and refreshing point of view. It certainly has to be a contributing factor to our recent struggles.
  3. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Joe????? no way he goes pro. Hell Lydel would have a better case to get in than he would.
  4. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    I would agree that Joe is probably more an undrafted FA type. Fox and Fraser don't jump out at me as NFL locks either but I don't pay much attention to NFL anymore. If I had to wager Vcash I would say they are Day 2 guys. Only Nuge is your surefire top 3 rounds type guy.

    So if that hold true, then Morty's point is well taken.

    When the best player in a small SR class is your FG kicker it very well could mean you have a talent issue with that class.

    This sure isn't an excuse but it might very well be one reason of many for this disaster.
  5. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

  6. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    if joe goes to the nfl....i am going to try out....

    i met the young man this summer......really nice kid....but he is way is that a fullback....when i was 30 i would have absolutely drawfed the young man...i mean blocked out his light from all approaches....

    he couldnt have been more than 5-10 and 210 when i met him....
  7. Morty

    Morty Newbie

    I’ll agree that Joe will not get drafted if he isn’t more then 210. Sending only three of our seniors into the NFL is very disappointing. However next years group of seniors looks better. I would guess Hamby, Simms, Mangold, Hawk, Carpenter, D’Andrea, and Salley should be drafted. Green, Kudla, Underwood, and Everett also have a pretty good shot I would think. The one thing you can say about next year’s seniors is they pretty much all have NFL athleticism, which is definitely a step in the right direction.
  8. BuckeyeTillIDie

    BuckeyeTillIDie The North Remembers

    If Fraser goes to the NFL I'll be shocked. It has been shown that he played good early becaues of the guys he played around.
  9. tundra1

    tundra1 Junior

    I agree with the previous comments that Brandon Joe is unlikely to be drafted. He just doesn't seem to have the size/speed/blocking ability combination that the NFL wants out of a fullback (or a tailback for that matter).

    Ohio State may, however, have another player drafted. In these days where special teams matter so much...don't count out some team calling out the name Kyle Andrews late in the draft. He's been one h*ll of a long-snapper for quite a while, and yet another special teams guy who'll be hard to replace next year.
  10. FKAGobucks877

    FKAGobucks877 The Most Power-Drunk

    Fraser will definitely get drafted. And to be quite honest, I believe Childress will get at least a look as well. He's small, but is the type of player to at least garner a tryout.
  11. AKAK

    AKAK Well, that's like hypnotizing chickens. Staff Member Tech Admin

    Well...the last vestiges of Cooper's final class... and the Tweener... Some serious dead weight on the whole list... and... well... a couple good ones.

    Brandon Joe (2000)- Unless Brandon has some previously unknown skills as a wedge buster.... his future is elsewhere. Has a spotty past... nothing horrible but spotty... which probably separates him, on the bad side, from a large group of guys that are about he same as him.

    Bam Childress (2000)- Unless Bam can be the next Donte Hall.... well... I just don't see enough tangible or intangibles... he's not especially productive, and he's got pretty much nothing they're looking for on the next level.

    John Hollins (2000)- Thanks for coming, and being a good little soldier.

    Harlen Jacobs (2000)- See John Hollins.

    Jason Caldwell (2000)- See Harlen Jacobs.

    Josh Huston (2000)- Sorry about that whole "Nuge " thing.

    Simon Fraser (2001)- Contrary to what some other people have posted, Simon is going to test well at the combine... he passes the look test (even if it more of a TE look)... He's been a solid Player... and he might be a little long, but he doesn't get pushed around... might show up as and end in a 3-4 or something like that.... worth a flyer somewhere 5-7.

    Dustin Fox (2001)- Ahh... White Lightning. He's going to test REAL well at the combine... hmmm and he's a good tackler... Scouts are going to see the same thing we've seen (Guessed)... Safety. Hey at the very least, he couls be a very nice nickel back... and sometimes those guys go higher than Safeties... I'd say he'll go from 3-5.

    Mike Nugent (2001)- Well... If I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers, I Trade up to the first overall pick to take Nuge. Luckily I'm not the Steelers. Anyway. I don't think he'll get past round 4... probably third... late second if soemone is very desperate... maybe.

    Ryan Hamby (2001)- Is Hamby a Senior?

    Marcus Green (2001)- Big Disappointment, I really liked Marcus as a recruit.

    Lydell Ross (2001)- I hope Lydell's motivations to go to Ohio State weren't inspried by All The Right Moves... if it was.. its back to the steel mill.

    Maurice Hall (2001)- Wish Mo could have been healthy his whoel career, could have benn the next Derek Combs.

    Brandon Schnittker (2001)- WHo's this guy again.

    Reggie Arden (2001)- Ow, my face.

    Kyle Andrews- Soemone hit it on the head... If you drafted Nuge... and you need a snapper too... take this kid in the 7th or be damn sure you're the first one on the phone with him to get him as a UFA.
  12. RugbyBuck

    RugbyBuck Our church has no bells.

    Donnie Nickey got drafted as a safety. I can see Fox going anywhere from 2 to 4, depending on his pro workout in Cbus and his combine scores.
  13. buckzip

    buckzip Reeking with awesomeness

    Yes, we lost alot of talent.

    But NORTHFUCKINGWESTERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  14. Piney

    Piney Stay thirsty my friends Former Game Champion

    But a ship without a rudder is how we lost to Northfuckingwestern!

    The seniors that lead on the field and help a young team mesh into a great unit is what is missing. Coaches can scream all they want... but you need a senior leader that takes command of the huddle to show them how it is done. You saw that defensively against Northwestern & Iowa. Northwestern they needed Fox to steady them and for his ability to tackle pesky WR & RBs to stop the huge 3rd and long gains that gave the game to NW. And in Iowa Fox wasn't enough for a defense that gave up in the 2nd half coupled with an offense that gave Iowa some presents.

    This is how we lost to Northwestern and that is the missing piece to this season.

    When the best senior leader on the team is the place kicker... you know we are in trouble. Over the last 2 years we had natural born leaders on this squad that led them to BCS Bowls. This "inbetween" class... the last few from Coop and the first from Tressel is showing that transition does this.

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