2006 Heisman Discussion (merged all)

[OSU_Buckguy]

THe "analyst" should watch the first half , and keep in mind that Quinn didnt lead Nd to that victory. Stanton led ND to that victory

the analysts have very selective memories. the analysts will likely do their best to put the scum-notre lame game behind them. if troy slips up more than just a little, oklahoma continues to lose, and nd wins out; i'm afraid that brady will win it. nd has a history of receiving heismans for less than deserving performances (hornung anyone?). however, if troy doesn't win it, adrian should claim highway robbery if quinn does.

troy will win it, though.

I think Ginn is out unless he does a 180.

ginn is definitely not in it. though he has breakaway speed and at times dazzling moves, he is not a surehanded clutch receiver. i can't recall a pass where he laid himself out to catch the ball. don't get me wrong, he is an exceptional receiver. nonetheless, he's rarely made the terrific grab, a la gonzo. furthermore, ginn must prove himself with return tds... and right quick.

am i saying that ginn won't be in new york for the heisman presentation? no, i am not. however, there's a marked difference between being there and being in it.

 

[Best Buckeye]

I think the blocking on returns has to improve . A lot

 

[osugrad21]

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HEISMAN WATCH

BUCKEYE STILL LEADS THE PACK

Star-Telegram college football writer Wendell Barnhouse assesses the top candidates for the Heisman Trophy:
1. Troy Smith, Ohio State: The offensive leader of the nation's top team, Smith can't afford many more below-average performances like he had Saturday.
2. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma: The junior running back continues to churn out the yards. The Oct. 7 meeting with Texas could decide his Heisman fate.
3. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame: Big second-half rally kept the senior quarterback in the hunt.
Waiting list: Chris Leak, Florida QB; Steve Slaton, West Virginia RB; Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois RB; Mike Hart, Michigan RB.

 

[osugrad21]

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Peterson gains on Smith in Heisman watch

1. Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State - Up

True, he didn't have the best statistical game of his career on Saturday against Penn State, but his ability to make the big play at the right time allows him to steadily climb the Heisman Hopeful watch list.

Smith, who completed 12-of-22 passes for 115 yards and one touchdown, made the play of the game after scrambling 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage before finding freshman receiver Brian Robiskie in the end zone for a 37-yard scoring strike. Smith is steadily breaking away from the rest of the pack as each game passes.


2. Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma - Up

Peterson didn't want to let the officials determine the outcome of last weekend's game.

Peterson had another huge week running for 128 yards and three touchdowns against Middle Tennessee State, as the No. 17 Sooners dismantled the Blue Raiders 59-0, scoring 45 points in the first half alone. Peterson left the game after the first possession in the second half, when he put Oklahoma up 52-0 on a 7-yard touchdown run.


3. Chris Leak, QB, Florida - Up

Though Leak got off to a slow start against Kentucky, he sure knows how to come through at the right time.

Down 7-6 with less than two minutes to play in the first half, Leak orchestrated a 78-yard drive to put the Gators in the lead, and they never looked back. Leak was 5-for-5 for 60 yards on the drive and finished the game completing 15-of-26 passes for 267 yards and two touchdowns, breaking Shane Matthews' school record for career completions in the process.


4. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame - Even

Quinn never could get into a rhythm against Michigan State, because of the inclement weather and the stingy Spartan defense. However, he was able to help Notre Dame come back from a 17-point halftime deficit to beat Michigan State 40-37 on Saturday.

After starting slow, Quinn picked it up late completing 20-of-36 passes for 319 yards and 5 touchdowns. Trailing 37-21 going into the fourth quarter, Quinn threw touchdown passes to Jeff Samardzija (43 yards) and Rhema McKnight (14 yards) to cut the lead to 37-33 with less than five minutes to play.


5. Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia - Down

With East Carolina putting up a fight throughout much of the game, it wasn't West Virginia's star running back who bailed the team out of trouble - it was quarterback Pat White.

Slaton had his least productive game of the season on Saturday against the Pirates, rushing for only 80 yards on 24 carries, with no touchdowns. West Virginia entered the game as the nation's top rushing team, but the Mountaineers used White's arm to beat East Carolina 27-10.

 

[BB73]

All these Heisman tracking sites need to add another stat this year. In addition to yards, TD's, and interceptions, they need to track TDs scored by the opponent on turnovers. Voters need to be reminded of all those plays by Quinn that the defense scored on.

 

[Dryden]

All these Heisman tracking sites need to add another stat this year. In addition to yards, TD's, and interceptions, they need to track TDs scored by the opponent on turnovers. Voters need to be reminded of all those plays by Quinn that the defense scored on.

*cough* three *cough*

Two Pick-6s, a fumble returned for a TD, and another INT that set up a Michigan FG. ND opponents have scored 24 points off Brady Quinn miscues in just the last two games.

 

[Best Buckeye]

*cough* three *cough*

Two Pick-6s, a fumble returned for a TD, and another INT that set up a Michigan FG. ND opponents have scored 24 points off Brady Quinn miscues in just the last two games.

Quinn would just move "up" due to a great smile

 

[EyesofMarch]

Smith and Ginn

Both Buckeyes have to still be in the top 5. Each is consistent and makes their share of big plays. I'd still like to see Ginn get the ball more, but everything he does enhances Smith's chances of striking a pose in December.

:osu:

 

[bkochmc]

Both Buckeyes have to still be in the top 5. Each is consistent and makes their share of big plays. I'd still like to see Ginn get the ball more, but everything he does enhances Smith's chances of striking a pose in December.

:osu:

Unfortunately, I disagree with you at this time when it comes to Ginn. Yes, he is a very electric player and has that "home run" ability but last week's game against Penn St. took him out of the top 5. IMO, he needs to return a few punts and/or kickoffs for touchdowns and average 5-7 catches during the Big10 run for voters to take him serious. With that said, I think if he has a huge game against Iowa he could make his way back in the top 5.

I'd love to see two Buckeyes in New York in December. Has Ohio State ever had two heisman finalists in the same year?

 

[Best Buckeye]

Both Buckeyes have to still be in the top 5. Each is consistent and makes their share of big plays. I'd still like to see Ginn get the ball more, but everything he does enhances Smith's chances of striking a pose in December.

:osu:

In the one I saw Ginn has dropped to tenth just behind Quinn
:(

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

...he is not a surehanded clutch receiver. i can't recall a pass where he laid himself out to catch the ball. don't get me wrong, he is an exceptional receiver...[/I]

This definitely belongs in the "what the fuck?" category. He's not a "surehanded clutch receiver", yet he's an "exceptional receiver"? Huh? As for not laying out to catch a ball, I don't recall too many--actually any--passes where he had to lay out...

 

[Best Buckeye]

this is from maisel dated 9/20 on espn
1. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma, RB: Still the King, and since both he and Slaton are idle this Saturday, I expect he'll be here next week, too.

2. Steve Slaton, West Virginia, RB: Debated whether to drop him after his 24-carry, 80-yard day at East Carolina, but nobody behind did anything worthy of moving up.

3. Troy Smith, Ohio State, QB: The scramble and 37-yard throw for a touchdown was a keeper, all right, but the other 21 passes gained a total of 78 yards.

4. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech, WR: He put up the numbers (six catches, 165 yards, two touchdowns) against Virginia worthy of his talent.

5. Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois, RB: Yes, he ran for 198 yards and four TDs against Indiana State. But great numbers against a I-AA team are the next-to-last thing a tailback from Northern Illinois needs. The last thing, of course, would be bad numbers against a I-AA team.

Adios: Brady Quinn

 

[Best Buckeye]

Menez from SI wants meechigans Hart WTH is that?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/gene_menez/09/24/heisman.watch/index.html
:osu:

 

[smith403]

This definitely belongs in the "what the fuck?" category. He's not a "surehanded clutch receiver", yet he's an "exceptional receiver"? Huh? As for not laying out to catch a ball, I don't recall too many--actually any--passes where he had to lay out...

Excellent Points! For some reason I think Ginn has been kept under wraps...perhaps he will be unleashed this weekend ala' the bowl game against the Domers

 

[BB73]

I'd love to see two Buckeyes in New York in December. Has Ohio State ever had two heisman finalists in the same year?

1973 was the only year with 2 in the top 5, but I don't think they sent 5 guys to New York for the ceremony like they usually do now.

When Cappelletti won in 1973, John Hicks was second, Archie was fifth, and Randy Gradishar 6th.

When Steve Owens won in 1969, Rex Kern was 3rd, Jim Otis was 7th, and Jack Tatum was 10th.

When Plunkett won in 1970, Kern was 5th and Tatum was 7th.

When Eddie won in 1995, Bobby Hoying finished 10th.