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2007 tOSU Defense

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muffler dragon;975707; said:
Heard it this morning. Breaking news from the Guru of college football, the PAC-10 hack, Colin Cowherd:

"Defense isn't what wins games in CFB, it's quarterback play."

[sarcasm]This guys knows his shizzit.[/sarcasm]
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Now go post this in the Boeckman thread without the sarcasm, and it will still work. :biggrin:
 
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daveeb;975887; said:
His bash on tOSU defense wasn't actually the defense. He was saying that the Quarterback was more important than the defense, emphasizing that Ohio State will win because of Todd Boeckman.
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His justification included such gems as ...

Ohio State almost lost to Michigan State --

which he then attributes to Boeckman having an off day - which isn't really true and ignores the obvious ..

Those 14 Spartan points out of 17 came from turnovers.

Something that a Defense can and did create.

The real truth here is that any analysis which says "it is all about black" or "it is all about white" when Gray is in the discussion ignores the obvious.

You need both - just like you need Offense and you need Defense.
 
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ok I know I can't be the only one here... Does anyone sense that our defense hasn't been as good the past 3-4 weeks?

Kent State- Rolling off too many big chunks

MSU-the exception here we shut them down

Penn State- the running lanes were HUGE, and had some big pass plays also

Wisconsin- The running lanes weren't as big but still there was room to run, but the thing that concerns me was the open space in the secondary. too many big gainers. On one of the drives they had a 20 yard run, a 30 yard pass, and another 25 yard pass. They seemed like thye coudn't dink and dunk down the field, but they were able to hit big plays

The biggest thing with me though is it looks like the other teams is about to bust a big one on a lot of the plays now. Our D-line does good on pass pressure, but seems to get pushed around too much in the run department? Does anyone else see what I see?

I mean I still think we're a top 3-5 defense, but it seems lke we haven't been able to stop big plays, or get as many 3 and outs. Could be we've upped the compeitition though? figurd I'd get some more conversation going.
 
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Wisconsin 36 runs for 13 yards. Yeah, I'd say they had some lanes.... adequately filled by Buckeyes.

I don't share your concern. OSU's D is set up to take away a team's strength. Wiscy was NOT going to beat OSU with the big play, we stopped the dink, dunk, and run. The idea is to make a team 1 dimensional. Ohio State has not stopped doing that to opponents at any point this season.
 
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bukIpower;982354; said:
ok I know I can't be the only one here... Does anyone sense that our defense hasn't been as good the past 3-4 weeks?

Kent State- Rolling off too many big chunks

MSU-the exception here we shut them down

Penn State- the running lanes were HUGE, and had some big pass plays also

Wisconsin- The running lanes weren't as big but still there was room to run, but the thing that concerns me was the open space in the secondary. too many big gainers. On one of the drives they had a 20 yard run, a 30 yard pass, and another 25 yard pass. They seemed like thye coudn't dink and dunk down the field, but they were able to hit big plays

The biggest thing with me though is it looks like the other teams is about to bust a big one on a lot of the plays now. Our D-line does good on pass pressure, but seems to get pushed around too much in the run department? Does anyone else see what I see?

I mean I still think we're a top 3-5 defense, but it seems lke we haven't been able to stop big plays, or get as many 3 and outs. Could be we've upped the compeitition though? figurd I'd get some more conversation going.
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Only if you think that out defense is so good that no one at all could score against it. This D has stats that are better overall or just as good as the 2002 team or last years team. So maybe , just maybe the reason that they don't "seem as good" is because they are starting to play teams that are better than the ones at the start of the season.
Considering Wiscy' recent record against us and Jt, and the fact that they have a better team than keny state it didn't surprise me at all that they played us tough and that the D gave up points.
But to reiterate no the defense has benn just as good and better than it was at the start of the season.
 
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I repeat.....

Wisconsin comes in to the shoe averaging 205 on the ground and 418 total.
Wisconsin, while they admittedly did pass for more than they normally do, rushed for 13 yards, and gained a total of 282 - 31 of which was on a fake punt.

13 yards... that's 6% of their typical game.

While they did throw for 26% more yards than normal (Take away the punter's passing totals, and it is only 11% more passing yards than Wiscy normally gains), OSU held them to 67% of their usual total.

Concerned? Hardly.

Incidentally, I'd have to say that the fact that 94% of their offense was shut down, may account for the improved Passing numbers.... Something I'd be willing to bet Wiscy didn't want to have to do in this game (pass to win)
 
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Well the sacks really helped our average... but i'm more specifically talking bout the 22 yard run by their 3rd string back, and a lot of the missed assignments/missed tackles in the back end?

I guess that I thought this defense was so unbeatable for the first 8 games of the year that once teams have had a little success that I'm starting to feel a little uneasy? I realize we've made teams 1 demensional all year though...Plus all the bull shit touchdowns/points we've given other teams has kind of irritated me and made me look too much into the final score of the game rather than the feel of the game..
 
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The idea is to make a team 1 dimensional.
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Thank you, BKB. As a coordinator, take something away, especially what that particular team does best. Make them beat you left-handed. At the very least, get them into predictable tendencies, where you can get the personnel on the field that you want, in situations that you want. When your opponent can both run and pass, despite down and distance, you are screwed. I think that the defensive staff has done a great job of doing that this season. Interesting tests are upcoming. The mobility of Williams, the slashing of Mendenhall, and a game breaker in Benn (is he healthy and playing?) will be quite a challenge. That other team left on the schedule has a few playmakers, too, but that should be left for another day and time. Patience, grasshoppers.....
 
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bukIpower;982386; said:
Well the sacks really helped our average... but i'm more specifically talking bout the 22 yard run by their 3rd string back, and a lot of the missed assignments/missed tackles in the back end?
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Zack Brown rushed 20 times for 63 yards (3.2 ypc), and that's with his 22-yard jaunt. Take that one 22-yard run away and he's 19 rushes for 41 yards (< 2.2 ypc).

By the way, Nebraska gave up more points to Kansas today than our defense has given up in all 10 games...
 
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bukIpower;982386; said:
Well the sacks really helped our average... but i'm more specifically talking bout the 22 yard run by their 3rd string back, and a lot of the missed assignments/missed tackles in the back end?

I guess that I thought this defense was so unbeatable for the first 8 games of the year that once teams have had a little success that I'm starting to feel a little uneasy? I realize we've made teams 1 demensional all year though...Plus all the bull shit touchdowns/points we've given other teams has kind of irritated me and made me look too much into the final score of the game rather than the feel of the game..
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I don't see any reason to be alarmed by a 22 yard run. There are going to be breakdowns. It happens. You try and limit them, but it happens.

I will admit I did not like what PSU was able to do on the ground, but after some adjustments, those gains became fewer and fewer... But, to me, the better stat to look at aside from a guy popping a run, or a long pass or two, is how good a team is on 3rd Downs. You'll see Ohio State atop the Big Ten (national?) standings at something like 33% That is, 67% of the time, on third, the opponent will end up punting (or trying a FG, I guess.)
 
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