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2009 Red Sox Thread

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NY Buckeye;1463930; said:
No love for Nick Swisher???

A true Buckeye playing for a classy organization.

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I did like Swisher up until this year.
He's a dam good ballplayer. Gritty, and will do whatever is asked of him to help the team.

But the organizations he's playing with sucks!


starBUCKS;1464036; said:
Sucks that we had to get rid of Manny for him:bow:
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that trade looking better and better every day now.
 
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As I'm sitting here in an infinitely boring business meeting in Beverly, Mass., I come across this Sports Guy:

Bill Simmons: Manny Ramirez's positive drug test makes the Sports Guy confront his worst nightmare - ESPN

Confronting my worst nightmare
Dateline: May 7, 2014

My son and I have flown from California to spend the week in Boston. He is a little more than 6? at this point. He has never set foot in Fenway Park. The time is right. He likes baseball. He likes the Red Sox. He's a little sports encyclopedia. I have brainwashed him. He is just old enough to understand the significance of his first Fenway game and, more importantly, old enough that he'll be able to remember the experience decades later.

We bring my father with us. Three generations of the Simmons family taking in a Yankees-Red Sox game for the first time. This should be a wonderful moment. A signature moment, even.

We find our $1,500 seats in the lower boxes near third base. We are sitting in Best Buy's Section 61, which is right between Bob's Discount Furniture's Section 60 and Costco's Section 62. Every section has a sponsor now. The Green Monster is now called "The Pepsi Green Monster" and has a big Pepsi can painted on it. Ted Williams' special seat in right field is now sponsored by Muscle Milk. Even home plate is sponsored by Dunkin' Donuts. Has the logo on it and everything. That's just the way sports work now.

We settle into our seats. I point toward the championship banners over the first-base side. They go in order: 1903, 1904, 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918, 2004, 2007. Ever since Boston won the World Series 10 years ago, I always imagined pointing to that 2004 banner and telling my little boy,

"That's the team that changed everything."

So that's what I do. I point at the banner and tell him, "That's the team that changed everything."

"Isn't that the team that cheated?" he asks...
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Yes, it makes me happy that Boston fans have to grapple with the fact that the curse may have ended with roids. Yes, I'm salty and jealous. Yes, my anger toward Boston - which is usually at a constant simmer - is at a boil now because I'm stuck in this shitty meeting. Yes, I am looking ahead to my weekend in NYC and can't wait to get the hell out of here.

Yes, I am posting on BP sitting right next to my boss. Who wants some, bitches?
 
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[quote='BusNative;146551;5] Yes, it makes me happy that Boston fans have to grapple with the fact that the curse may have ended with roids.[/quote]


that part doesn't bother me all that much.

yeah, I hate the fact that the entire game as been tainted for the last decade plus, but I'm not pissed that my favorite team won 2 titles with someone who was most likely juiced during those seasons.

'04 season, the Sox had to beat the Yankees with 'roided up players like Sheffield, Giambi, and A-Rod, so it's not like Boston beat a league full of choir boys.


now to address the article. well written piece, but not all that well thought out.

Mark Bellhorn?!!? Is he serious?!!?
He's got to be the shittiest player I've ever heard linked to steroids. His only season with more than 20 HR was in homer friendly Wrigley. His next best season was 17 (in Boston) with 80 more at bats than any other year in his career.

Bill Mueller?
yeah, he won a batting title in '04, but it was with a .326 average.
that wouldn't have won the AL batting title in any other year since the early 70's, and less than a dozen times in the history of the American league (only 4 times in the history of the NL).
That ain't being juiced, that's lucky that the rest of the league was shittier than normal.


Kevin Millar?
"And Kevin Millar, he had a few big homer years, then his power numbers went way down once the testing started."
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14-20 HRs every year but 2 since becoming an every day player (120+ games/year).
one season with 9, one season with 25. Where is the spike? where is the "way down"?


Manny? yep, he sure looks guilty as shit.

Papi? I'm definitely suspicious (sp?)

Pedro? definitely possible. but he doesn't look as guilty as others. was dominant when he was young, but his workload and age caught up to him in his mid-thirties, like you would expect would happen to a normal human being.
 
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Too good not to post...

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