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2012-13 Men's Basketball (B1G Tourney Champs, NCAA Elite Eight)

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NFBuck;2260509; said:
I think preseason basketball rankings are even more pointless than preseason football rankings. But, to answer your question...I haven't a clue. :)
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I know the Buckeye basketball team much better than the others and tend to overblow the weaknesses and undervalue the strengths, so I think they are overrated currently. Probably a 12-18 rating currently.

But then I watch other teams and havent really been impressed by any team; certain players yes; but it is too hard to tell right now, which accentuates your point of polls being meaningless right now.

They looked better against Washington, and we have Duke coming up soon. By Christmas I think we will know the potential of this team.
 
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Well NFBuck, you're right that basketball rankings in the preseason are less meaningful than football preseason rankings. One guy emerging as a superstar can make a bigger difference in basketball because he can impact all facets of the game.

With OSU you have two players in Thomas and Craft that are among the elite in the sport this year. Then you have a talented supporting cast behind them. Some have drawn the comparison to the '99 OSU team, which might not be a bad parallel since they've both got two stars, a big-time wing scorer and stud PG, and a host of athletes filling in around them playing roles. That '99 team got a #4 seed, and this team probably will be in the 2-4 seed range when it's all said and done. So I'd have them somewhere in the 5-16 range - if they're overrated, it's not by a lot. Yes, they are not going to be as good as they were last year with Sully, but outside of IU and Louisville most of the top teams in the country aren't in great shape at this point.
 
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Yes, it is hard to really qualify where this team is in the grand scheme of things because the season is so young. But, I think we are already seeing some of the "top-ranked" teams showing definite weaknesses, or just not quite living up to the potential bestowed upon them by the pundits. A team like UCLA comes to mind (and even Kentucky so far) - they have a lot of talent, but also a lot of youth. UCLA especially has been in a rough patch the past few years, so they don't really even have a player who is proven and has been through the battles before.

Indiana struggled with Georgia yesterday. Duke is good but has virtually the same cast of players who have not lived up to expectations. Kansas has a lot of new faces needing to gel together. At this point it is a tossup as to where OSU fits into the equation.

I think it will take a few weeks for this Ohio State team to really set their roles, and then to become comfortable with them. The good thing is they do have two players (three if you count LSJ) who have been through the wars, and it is not a team full of new guys. This roster has been together for a full season already, so they have a leg up on a lot of the top programs nowadays.

Ross, Ravenel, Williams, Thompson, and Scott - all capable talents who have either helped win a game in the past, or have been painted as an heir apparent. I'm not concerned yet about the rebounding or lack of a third scorer. It's still early, and I have confidence that Thad Matta and his coaching staff can coach 'em up and put together a solid product night in and night out.
 
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fanaticbuckeye;2260592; said:
I know the Buckeye basketball team much better than the others and tend to overblow the weaknesses and undervalue the strengths, so I think they are overrated currently. Probably a 12-18 rating currently.

But then I watch other teams and havent really been impressed by any team; certain players yes; but it is too hard to tell right now, which accentuates your point of polls being meaningless right now.

They looked better against Washington, and we have Duke coming up soon. By Christmas I think we will know the potential of this team.
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Which is why - IMO - folks are under-ranking them.

It is early. This isn't Matta's team - it is just his players. They are long and athletic. We have bigs who can move. We have kids who can get up and down the floor. We can score from outside and we can drive. IMO it is more complex to put these pieces together than it was to run your entire offense through Sullinger. I see more talent and options than any Matta team in his tenure with the exception of Oden and Co. And I see a team that could easily rank in the top 5 by seasons end.
 
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Oh8ch;2261102; said:
Which is why - IMO - folks are under-ranking them.

It is early. This isn't Matta's team - it is just his players. They are long and athletic. We have bigs who can move. We have kids who can get up and down the floor. We can score from outside and we can drive. IMO it is more complex to put these pieces together than it was to run your entire offense through Sullinger. I see more talent and options than any Matta team in his tenure with the exception of Oden and Co. And I see a team that could easily rank in the top 5 by seasons end.
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And I see the same potential as you.

The pieces and talent are there. I have confidence that Matta will put it to good use.
 
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OHSportsFan;2261392; said:
1) I love Butler Bulldog basketball.

2) Some kid from Grinnell (DIII) dropped 138 points on 52-108 shooting tonight.

"The System" has put the single-game scoring mark at an insurmountable mark. Goodness.
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My guess here: white boy who shot a few threes (108 shots total- 70 3's)? And defense gave up around 120 points.
 
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OHSportsFan;2261392; said:
1) I love Butler Bulldog basketball.

2) Some kid from Grinnell (DIII) dropped 138 points on 52-108 shooting tonight.

"The System" has put the single-game scoring mark at an insurmountable mark. Goodness.
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That's just insane:lol:
Jack Taylor had 138 points last night to shatter the NCAA scoring record in Division III Grinnell?s 179-104 victory over Faith Baptist Bible.

Taylor made 27 of 71 three-point attempts, was 52 of 108 overall from the field and 7 of 10 from the free-throw line in 36 minutes.

Rio Grande?s Bevo Francis, an Ohio native, held the NCAA scoring record with 113 points against Hillsdale in 1954.

In 1953, Francis had 116 against Ashland Junior College.
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http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/con...21/division-iii-player-totals-138-points.html
 
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f a player ever wonders why Ohio State basketball coach Thad Matta harps so often on the value of being consistent, he can point to a story about Evan Turner.

As a freshman, Turner showed flashes of what was to come. In the 11th start of his career, he had 21 points and 10 rebounds at Tennessee. Three games later, he had seven assists. The rest of the season was one of sporadic glimpses.

Afterward, Matta told Turner, ?Look, if you ever put it all together on a consistent basis, you?re going to be a great player.?

As a sophomore, Turner led the Big Ten in scoring and was a unanimous selection to the All-Big Ten first team. As a junior, he was national player of the year and the No. 2 pick in the NBA draft.

?That?s the thing you see as a coach, the evolution,? Matta said, ?and then it finally clicks in their mind that, ?OK, this is what it is.? ?

That helps explain what the third-ranked Buckeyes are heading into their fourth game of the season tonight. With four sophomores in the eight-man rotation playing more meaningful minutes than they did a year ago, Matta is seeing only flashes of what he envisions they and his team can be in a few months.

In particular, sophomores LaQuinton Ross and Amir Williams put together probably their best stretch of minutes of the season on Sunday in the second half of a victory over Washington.

?I thought both guys were very, very effective,? Matta said after the game. ?It?s still relatively new to them. They?ve got to continue to drive themselves and (play to) that level of play they need to play at every time they step on the floor.?

Williams was on the floor for six minutes and Ross nine as the Buckeyes fought to keep the Huskies from chipping their deficit inside seven points. The two combined for nine points, and each had a block and steal. The coaches even ran a play for Ross, who posted up on the block and scored over a defender.
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more bball
 
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LitlBuck;2266496; said:
I know that doesn't mean much now but [censored]ing Puke is now ranked #2 and sCum is ranked #3 we are at #4. Minnesota and Illinois both broke into the top 25 while Sparty remains just outside the top 10.
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Well it does mean; what the SEC is to football, the B1G is to basketball.

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ScriptOhio;2266507; said:
Well it does mean; what the SEC is to football, the B1G is to basketball.

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I don't know, seems like something's missing in that analogy...

ncaa-basketball-championship-trophy.jpg
 
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