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2012 Offense Discussion

Interesting to look at that chart and see Marcus Hall as a second teamer after the way he contributed two years ago as a true Frosh. Hopefully the new regime can help get back whatever was lost.
 
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pnuts34;2067560; said:
For 2012 we don't have many guys that u can say worry defensive coordinators.

I believe that the Jordan Hall half back pass should add 7 points onto tOSU score in the Michigan State game and in the Wisconsin game. The threat of it should add yardage in tSUN game. Their defensive coordinators are not worried yet, which is good.

Think of it. It was only used by Tressel in garbage time and was never used by Bollman.
 
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So are OLine looks like Norwell, Mewhort, Bobek, Linsley, and Fragel
I am a little worried about this line.

I think if we experience an injury, we're hosed.
I am curious how Fragel will do at OT.
Is tackle the right spot for Norwell? He didn't do as well as I hoped he would to fill in for Adams and did great at guard.

Hopefully Dodson and Decker pick on quickly. Marcus Hall hopefully can regain his Freshman form.
 
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Civic06;2097301; said:
So are OLine looks like Norwell, Mewhort, Bobek, Linsley, and Fragel
I am a little worried about this line.

I think if we experience an injury, we're hosed.
I am curious how Fragel will do at OT.
Is tackle the right spot for Norwell? He didn't do as well as I hoped he would to fill in for Adams and did great at guard.

Hopefully Dodson and Decker pick on quickly. Marcus Hall hopefully can regain his Freshman form.


Im curious as to why u wouldn't have Marcus hall over fragel? Fragel will be playing the OT position for the first time and hall spelled shugarts well in the past. And brown and underwood provide good depth. The question will be what can carter do and can he get in shape
 
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pnuts34;2097425; said:
Im curious as to why u wouldn't have Marcus hall over fragel? Fragel will be playing the OT position for the first time and hall spelled shugarts well in the past. And brown and underwood provide good depth. The question will be what can carter do and can he get in shape

I think Fragel has the athleticism required for a great OT, just need to add some weight. He also has the motivation and from what I can tell, the leadership and other intangibles.

Antonio Underwood option scares me after his performance at Purdue. I know he's just a Freshman so hopefully a year of experience plus a new coach makes a difference.
 
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Civic06;2097301; said:
So are OLine looks like Norwell, Mewhort, Bobek, Linsley, and Fragel
I am a little worried about this line.

I think if we experience an injury, we're hosed.
I am curious how Fragel will do at OT.

If QB is injured, the season should be cancelled. I think Miller's carries should be limited.
 
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Interesting Depth Chart outlook. Biggest thing like it's been said above, is the O Line.

Fragel at tackle? I think I'd rather see Marcus Hall. The line is VERY thin, and hopefully we can avoid injuries there.
 
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The biggest variable in the offense is the change in philosophy. We have just been through a decade + of playing for at least a fg or punt, and if you get a TD, that's great. We are going to an offense that will be looking to score a TD on every possession, but will settle for a fg or punt.

I believe Meyer will find the best parts available to plug in to that philosophy, and how the philosophy is implemented will depend on the parts that are available. I believe I will be less frustrated with this philosophy. Those 6 point, nail-biting wins will be turned into 20 point + wins.

But I will say this: there will be a game or two each season, where we wish we could line up in the I with 2 TE's, run clock, punt, and rely on our defense for a win. We might lose a game here and there because we can't or don't do that.

But on the whole, I'm for playing to win, not playing to avoid losing.
 
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http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation
Who will play 'Percy position' for OSU?

As many know by now, Ohio State couldn't land recruiting target Stefon Diggs, who on Friday ended a drawn-out and moderately annoying decision-making process by choosing to stay home and play for Maryland.



Ohio State had saved a roster spot for Diggs, rated as the nation's No. 3 athlete and No. 13 overall prospect by ESPN Recruiting. The thought is that Diggs, who played both running back and wide receiver in high school and displayed excellent quickness, potentially could fill a spot that looms large in Urban Meyer's offense.

It's a receiver/running back hybrid, better known as "The Percy Position" because of Percy Harvin, who stood out for Meyer at Florida. Harvin recorded more than 400 rushing yards and 400 receiving yards in each of his three seasons with the Gators, topping out at 764 rush yards and 858 receiving yards in 2007. He scored 10 touchdowns in 2007 and 17 in 2008.

Although Meyer didn't really find another Harvin in his final two seasons at Florida -- Jeff Demps filled the role at times -- he knows what an effective and dynamic hybrid player can do for his offense.

And while Ohio State addressed numerous needs in its decorated 2012 recruiting class, namely defensive line, the Buckeyes didn't appear to fill the Percy position.

From SI.com:

"The question I have is, do we have that dynamic player on offense?" said Meyer. "Where's the Ted Ginns of the world? Were they hiding [last] year? I hope we have those guys. That's a big concern of mine right now."​
It's possible Ohio State can fill the Percy position from the current roster. Talented players could easily get lost in the ultra-conservative offensive scheme the Buckeyes employed last season. Ohio State barely passed the ball. On the other hand, no wide receiver caught more than 14 passes (Devin Smith and Corey Brown led the team, along with tight end Jake Stoneburner). Senior DeVier Posey would have easily eclipsed that number had he been eligible all season, but Ohio State's receiving corps was a weakness.

Ohio State signed three wide receivers in the 2012 class: Michael Thomas (already enrolled), Frank Epitropoulos and Ricquan Southward. But all are bigger players, seemingly more suited to receiver than a hybrid position. If one could see time at the Percy position, it would likely be Southward.

There are some hybrid candidates among returning players:
  • Jordan Hall (5-9, 195, Sr. in 2012): Meyer's offense might be the system Hall has been waiting for. He has had the potential to be a hybrid player, but hasn't been in an offense than encouraged it. Hall logged 99 rushing attempts in 2011, but also caught 12 passes for 114 yards (9.5 ypc). He boasts good speed as a return man, and has a similar size profile to Harvin's. Don't be surprised to see Hall's role increase under Meyer.
  • Corey "Philly" Brown (5-11, 182, Jr. in 2012): Brown tied for the team lead in receptions, and averaged 14.6 yards per catch with a touchdown. He didn't record any carries, but rushed for 3,000 yards in high school and also ran track. Like Hall, he fits the size/speed profile Meyer usually wants for this spot.
  • Devin Smith (6-3, 190, So. in 2012): Smith tied for the team lead in receptions, and seemed to have good chemistry with quarterback Braxton Miller. He had no carries in 2011, and might be better suited as a wide receiver rather than in a hybrid role. It'll be interesting to see how the coaches use him in the spring.

Whether Ohio State finds an answer from the current roster or the incoming recruits, you can bet Meyer and his staff will make the Percy position a priority in 2013 recruiting.
 
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matcar;2109280; said:
How about Evan Spencer?
Not fast enough.
Devin Smith is fast enough but not the right "type". Not nearly strong enough, either.

Percy Harvin weighed 205 his junior year. With blazing speed. And elusivness. That's the "type".

Wonder about a guy like Warren Ball? Doesn't seem fast enough at first glance. But the other stuff is in place.
 
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