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VT has a good offense but Clemson's D has been underwhelming certainly. Louisville, fsu, pitt, and vt all had plenty of success
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VT has a good offense but Clemson's D has been underwhelming certainly. Louisville, fsu, pitt, and vt all had plenty of success
grnvllbuck
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Not sure if this has been discussed before, but with the offense being somewhat inconsistent....what would your thoughts be on perhaps bringing Mark Helfrich (formerly of Oregon) in as Offensive coordinator, and have Ed Warriner be dedicated 100% to the offensive line?
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What evidence is there that Mark Helfrich is a good coach? Appears to be a poor recruiter, program got worse every year he's been in charge, and if I remember correctly, there were some rumblings of him not being able to control the locker room.
No thanks.
No thanks.
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Urban needs someone he respects more than himself to evolve and clean up his rough edges. He does not necessarily need someone to overhaul the offense, but to help him improve efficiency, simplicity and stay the course when the going gets tough.
Conversely, if Haskins is the heir to JT, they're going to need a much different scheme (and many folks think that's inevitable with the QBs and WRs that are being signed). If Burrow gets the spot and hands it down to Jones, they can get away with maintaining the same system (but would still benefit greatly from a strong offensive mind).
I still like the Kevin Wilson consultant suggestion (or something similar to that). I do not think Urban needs a better playcaller, I think he needs a stern self-review of how and when he makes certain calls.
Conversely, if Haskins is the heir to JT, they're going to need a much different scheme (and many folks think that's inevitable with the QBs and WRs that are being signed). If Burrow gets the spot and hands it down to Jones, they can get away with maintaining the same system (but would still benefit greatly from a strong offensive mind).
No one is hiring for HC.
I still like the Kevin Wilson consultant suggestion (or something similar to that). I do not think Urban needs a better playcaller, I think he needs a stern self-review of how and when he makes certain calls.
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Not only would it be a demotion for Warriner (as said above), we would also have to unnecessarily fire Greg Studwara.
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ant80
Think less, feel more.
I read this point at several places. If I remember correctly, Warinner was Co-OC when Herman was around, but also the OL-coach, the latter responsibility led him to be on the ground. After MSU 2015, he was moved to the booth, which is where he still is. And this year, he gave up OL coaching responsibility for TE coach. But his Co-OC role remained the same. His play calling responsibilities might have increased, as well as his salary, but responsibilities wise, I don't see a significant change.
Studwara was the first choice for OL coach when Meyer was hired. But I do NOT regret hiring Warinner, who transformed Bollman's recruits into world beaters. This is Studwara's first year, and while the results are not as good, we still have to remember that some OL recruits didn't pan out. We're still paying the price for some misses.
As good as Beck is at recruiting, I feel we need a better play caller. That said, I trust Urban. He knows more about football than all of us in this forum combined.
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Just my $0.02 / ramblings on this:
- Need some nastiness on the front line
- Need to get back to being an uptempo team - get the fricking play in and go before the defense adjusts
- Need to have the ability to provide multiple looks from the QB - shotgun, pistol, under center (I know, I know easier said then done)
- Need to get better at progressive play and route calling and being able to get into a rythmn during the game. Stop with the all run or all pass series and mix a bit.
- If a play doesn't work, stop calling it. If a play works continue to call it until they stop it and then go back to it later
- We had to many series that either went nowhere or advanced a bit and died. This is going to happen some, but we have to find a way to keep drives moving
- We have to take advantage of good field position (P$U) and put points on the board
- We need to have the ability to move the ball in bad weather.....
- We need to challenge the defense and stop turtling allowing them to dictate the play calling
- We need KEY players to not disappear for long periods at a time. Where the heck is Noah Brown, and why do Webber and Samuel disappear during games?
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Good lord yes, our offense is simplified somewhat so that we can execute fast. When we slow down it gives a double benefit to the defense.
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ScriptOhio
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COMPARING TOP TWO WIDE RECEIVER PRODUCTION DURING THE URBAN MEYER ERA
It's no secret Ohio State's passing game isn't exactly the strong suit of a team set to take on Clemson two weeks from tomorrow in a College Football Playoff semifinal.
Like most warts on a football team, the root cause isn't as simple as one specific failure point. With the passing attack, it's more like three points of concern ranging from J.T. Barrett struggling at times with accuracy and holding onto the ball too long, an offensive line that's been woefully leaky off the right edge against good teams, and a crop of true wide receivers yet to fully develop.
Curious to the latter of those three factors, I took a look at the production realized from Ohio State's top two true wide receivers (no tight ends, running backs or predominant slot guys) year-by-year since Urban Meyer arrived in Columbus.
How does the 2016 combo of Noah Brown and K.J. Hill – Ohio State's top two true wide receivers from a receptions standpoint – stack up against Buckeye duos since 2012? The answer to that query is not great, Bob.
For more detail, here's the year-by-year breakdown:
2012 TOP TWO WIDE RECEIVER PRODUCTION
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Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...eceiver-production-during-the-urban-meyer-era
Noah Brown: Nice mouthpiece......
It's no secret Ohio State's passing game isn't exactly the strong suit of a team set to take on Clemson two weeks from tomorrow in a College Football Playoff semifinal.
Like most warts on a football team, the root cause isn't as simple as one specific failure point. With the passing attack, it's more like three points of concern ranging from J.T. Barrett struggling at times with accuracy and holding onto the ball too long, an offensive line that's been woefully leaky off the right edge against good teams, and a crop of true wide receivers yet to fully develop.
Curious to the latter of those three factors, I took a look at the production realized from Ohio State's top two true wide receivers (no tight ends, running backs or predominant slot guys) year-by-year since Urban Meyer arrived in Columbus.
How does the 2016 combo of Noah Brown and K.J. Hill – Ohio State's top two true wide receivers from a receptions standpoint – stack up against Buckeye duos since 2012? The answer to that query is not great, Bob.
For more detail, here's the year-by-year breakdown:
2012 TOP TWO WIDE RECEIVER PRODUCTION
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continued
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...eceiver-production-during-the-urban-meyer-era
Noah Brown: Nice mouthpiece......
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
EXAMINING URBAN MEYER'S RELIANCE ON QUARTERBACKS IN THE RUN GAME
Since way back in 2012 when Urban Meyer arrived at Ohio State and rode quarterback Braxton Miller to a perfect 12-0 record one narrative in Columbus has centered on Meyer's sometimes over-reliance on his signal-caller's legs, especially in tight games.
The narrative was of particular concern entering the 2016 season knowing Meyer's supreme trust in J.T. Barrett which could conceivably open him up to injury. That of course is of major significance knowing just how important Barrett is to the team, compounded by the relative inexperience of his backup, redshirt freshman Joe Burrow.
So exactly how has 2016 panned out with regard to Barrett's workload? And has Meyer repeated his pattern of leaning even more heavily on his quarterback to rush the football in tight games?
For answers to those questions I dug into the numbers each year dating back to Meyer's first season at the helm.
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...yers-reliance-on-quarterbacks-in-the-run-game
Since way back in 2012 when Urban Meyer arrived at Ohio State and rode quarterback Braxton Miller to a perfect 12-0 record one narrative in Columbus has centered on Meyer's sometimes over-reliance on his signal-caller's legs, especially in tight games.
The narrative was of particular concern entering the 2016 season knowing Meyer's supreme trust in J.T. Barrett which could conceivably open him up to injury. That of course is of major significance knowing just how important Barrett is to the team, compounded by the relative inexperience of his backup, redshirt freshman Joe Burrow.
So exactly how has 2016 panned out with regard to Barrett's workload? And has Meyer repeated his pattern of leaning even more heavily on his quarterback to rush the football in tight games?
For answers to those questions I dug into the numbers each year dating back to Meyer's first season at the helm.
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...yers-reliance-on-quarterbacks-in-the-run-game
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
HOW TWO TRUE FRESHMEN BECAME STARTERS ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE FOR CLEMSON AND OHIO STATE, A RARITY COACHES DESPERATELY TRY TO AVOID
Michael Jordan sat in his chair next to a few of his teammates, his mouth agape and stunned by what he had just heard. No, Ohio State's left guard isn't the only offensive line starter in the Fiesta Bowl who is a true freshman.
“For real? Clemson has one too?” Jordan asked on Thursday at media day.
Yes, Clemson has one too. His name is Sean Pollard and he plays right tackle for the No. 2 Tigers, who face off against Jordan and the No. 3 Buckeyes on Saturday in the College Football Playoff. Unlike Jordan, the first Buckeye to start up front as a true freshman at the start of the season since Orlando Pace, Pollard had to wait until November. He stepped in for Jake Fruhmorgen, who left the lineup due to a shoulder injury. Personal issues and rehab have kept Fruhmorgen out, which left Pollard to take the reins along with Tremayne Anchrum, another freshman.
But Pollard is the main guy at right tackle just like Jordan is at left guard. For two elite programs that recruit with the best annually in college football, the fact two guys who played high school just last year are responsible for holding down the fort in the trenches is as rare as it is difficult.
“It shouldn't happen, honestly,” Urban Meyer said on Thursday. “We had some mistakes and injuries. I'm sure Dabo [Swinney] would say the same thing. Offensive line, if you're starting a true freshman something happened. Some miss somewhere.”
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...sive-line-for-clemson-and-ohio-state-a-rarity
Michael Jordan sat in his chair next to a few of his teammates, his mouth agape and stunned by what he had just heard. No, Ohio State's left guard isn't the only offensive line starter in the Fiesta Bowl who is a true freshman.
“For real? Clemson has one too?” Jordan asked on Thursday at media day.
Yes, Clemson has one too. His name is Sean Pollard and he plays right tackle for the No. 2 Tigers, who face off against Jordan and the No. 3 Buckeyes on Saturday in the College Football Playoff. Unlike Jordan, the first Buckeye to start up front as a true freshman at the start of the season since Orlando Pace, Pollard had to wait until November. He stepped in for Jake Fruhmorgen, who left the lineup due to a shoulder injury. Personal issues and rehab have kept Fruhmorgen out, which left Pollard to take the reins along with Tremayne Anchrum, another freshman.
But Pollard is the main guy at right tackle just like Jordan is at left guard. For two elite programs that recruit with the best annually in college football, the fact two guys who played high school just last year are responsible for holding down the fort in the trenches is as rare as it is difficult.
“It shouldn't happen, honestly,” Urban Meyer said on Thursday. “We had some mistakes and injuries. I'm sure Dabo [Swinney] would say the same thing. Offensive line, if you're starting a true freshman something happened. Some miss somewhere.”
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...sive-line-for-clemson-and-ohio-state-a-rarity
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
i have tried very hard to be objective over the last two years. ive even defended the play calling on more than one occasion. but when you are the coach calling plays from the sideline you have 1 job and 1 job only. that job is to put the kids in the best possible position to succeed. if you can't do this it doesn't matter how good of a recruiter you are or how good of a position coach you are. you flat out can't call plays.
ive seen a lot of coaches over the years. at this point i struggle to think of anyone who has done a worse job of this over a two year span than wariner and beck. i realize im being somewhat unfair here. year one was a post nc team that was not conventional. we probably had more offensive talent than any other team in the nation. but we didn't have a deep threat to go along with that talent which means you have to be imaginative in your play calling and how you utilize that talent. and you never want to be the guy who follows the guy (ie tom herman). but you gotta figure out a way to at least partially use that talent. how we never figured out that getting the ball to braxton miller in space was at least a semi good idea is just insane. i don't think we ever once tried to do that outside of having him line up at qb that year. i honestly can't think of a single play where we tried to get him the ball in the flat and just let him play ball.
fast forward to this year and yeah, this offense has a ton of warts. im not going to argue it doesn't. all of them are in the form of youth at nearly every position. but im ok with the offense not being able to move the ball because of drops, or wr's not getting open, or a guy missing a block, or missed assignments, or getting beat by an older more physical/mature/experienced guy. every one of those things will and should happen to a young team/player. and those things have been problems throughout the year. but thats not why we are loosing. we are loosing because this staff is not putting the kids in a position to win. even if we figure out a way to win against clemson tonight. i don't know how we can keep wariner or beck at offensive coordinators. deety is 100% right in her post with the exception of the nastiness. thats the only bit i would argue with. the lack of "nastiness" imo is largely being seen through freshmen who really are not physically ready to play at this level. so i can't fault that.
these last two years have just been so frustrating. not because of offensive performance. not because of any loss at all. sometimes your offense isn't going to be elite. sometimes your going to loose. some of those times will even be to teams who shouldn't even be on the field with you. all of those things WILL happen. thats just a reality and i accept that. but when you consistently fail the kids by putting them in situations we all know they are not ready for. that i just can't support or defend and will frustrate me more than anything.
i hope either meyer sees this as well or that im incredibly wrong.
i have no threats to toss around with this post. im not going to root less or not watch the games if i don't get what i want. but im not defending these guys anymore because i have nothing left to defend them with.
ive seen a lot of coaches over the years. at this point i struggle to think of anyone who has done a worse job of this over a two year span than wariner and beck. i realize im being somewhat unfair here. year one was a post nc team that was not conventional. we probably had more offensive talent than any other team in the nation. but we didn't have a deep threat to go along with that talent which means you have to be imaginative in your play calling and how you utilize that talent. and you never want to be the guy who follows the guy (ie tom herman). but you gotta figure out a way to at least partially use that talent. how we never figured out that getting the ball to braxton miller in space was at least a semi good idea is just insane. i don't think we ever once tried to do that outside of having him line up at qb that year. i honestly can't think of a single play where we tried to get him the ball in the flat and just let him play ball.
fast forward to this year and yeah, this offense has a ton of warts. im not going to argue it doesn't. all of them are in the form of youth at nearly every position. but im ok with the offense not being able to move the ball because of drops, or wr's not getting open, or a guy missing a block, or missed assignments, or getting beat by an older more physical/mature/experienced guy. every one of those things will and should happen to a young team/player. and those things have been problems throughout the year. but thats not why we are loosing. we are loosing because this staff is not putting the kids in a position to win. even if we figure out a way to win against clemson tonight. i don't know how we can keep wariner or beck at offensive coordinators. deety is 100% right in her post with the exception of the nastiness. thats the only bit i would argue with. the lack of "nastiness" imo is largely being seen through freshmen who really are not physically ready to play at this level. so i can't fault that.
these last two years have just been so frustrating. not because of offensive performance. not because of any loss at all. sometimes your offense isn't going to be elite. sometimes your going to loose. some of those times will even be to teams who shouldn't even be on the field with you. all of those things WILL happen. thats just a reality and i accept that. but when you consistently fail the kids by putting them in situations we all know they are not ready for. that i just can't support or defend and will frustrate me more than anything.
i hope either meyer sees this as well or that im incredibly wrong.
i have no threats to toss around with this post. im not going to root less or not watch the games if i don't get what i want. but im not defending these guys anymore because i have nothing left to defend them with.
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