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2019-2020 Ohio State Men's Basketball (Official Thread)

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nomatta said:
And maybe more than some!

I think it's especially difficult for Ohio State fans because so many have their mindset really geared towards football where there is not nearly as much parity and OSU is a blue blood. Losing is something that should only have to be endured once a season, at most. Preferably never.

Flip over to basketball where Stephen F***** Austin can beat Duke in Cameron.
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Yeah I've learned to just shrug my shoulders when it comes to losses in basketball unless it's an ugly trend. What kills me is people saying all of a sudden this team is just like last year, which is hysterical. 2018 isn't beating Villanova and UNC period, let alone by 20+. Hell it's a stretch to suggest 2018 Basketball beats this UNC squad even without Cole Anthony. They sure as hell aren't beating Kentucky.

The team is going through somewhat of rough patch right now, but the ceiling is CLEARLY higher than last year's team. By several hundred feet.
 
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Clearly they need Kyle Young. Only an idiot would think they were not missing something with him being out yesterday.

Also, Musa Jallow - if he is redshirting, the coach needs to just come out and say so and be firm in what is happening, because there is no reason to straddle the fence. If he is not redshirting, he can add some defensive ability and rebounding that they are missing at this time.
 
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today is proving to be a good example of why doom and gloom isn't specific to ohio state. #7 louisville lost at home by 13 to fsu. #9 memphis lost at home to georgia. #10 nova lost to marquette by 11. meanwhile, kansas is in a tight second-half game at home versus wvu.

it's been a rough week for our basketball team and the trend appears down, but the struggles among ranked teams aren't unshared. and though it may sound like a cop-out and though it may actually be a bit of a cop-out, i think the team would be looking quite a bit better if close to fully healthy. being without young and having a sub-100% washington will not produce the results we saw before minnesota.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
today is proving to be a good example of why doom and gloom isn't specific to ohio state. #7 louisville lost at home by 13 to fsu. #9 memphis lost at home to georgia. #10 nova lost to marquette by 11. meanwhile, kansas is in a tight second-half game at home versus wvu.

it's been a rough week for our basketball team and the trend appears down, but the struggles among ranked teams aren't unshared. and though it may sound like a cop-out and though it may actually be a bit of a cop-out, i think the team would be looking quite a bit better if close to fully healthy. being without young and having a sub-100% washington will not produce the results we saw before minnesota.
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Who said you could be rational?
 
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LitlBuck said:
This is the one issue which I would think should be the easiest to fix during the course of the season. It is now like shooting or defending because it has nothing to do with legs getting tired or anything else physically… Unless their minds get tired during the course of the season. We commit some very strange a.k.a. easy turnovers.
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i agree that turnovers could or perhaps should be the easiest fix. this team is not last year's team, especially since it's walker/carton versus jackson/woods, but it's just that i have less confidence in making a turnaround on turnovers because of our recent history.

moreover, we've already seen the team shoot consistently over many games. i think we're in a lull and will prove at some point to be the solid shooting team we once were. i stated a week or two ago that i thought we were shooting better than we "should be" at over 41% behind the arc and that we may regress to about 38%. i'd be happy if we end the season at 38%. we're at 39.6% now.

the third factor i listed was health. knock on wood, we should be fine as long as nothing new pops. it's not like andre's eye, washington's ribs, and young's appendix are season-threatening injuries. andre and washington's injuries could be reaggravated, but the outlook still looks positive.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
i agree that turnovers could or perhaps should be the easiest fix. this team is not last year's team, especially since it's walker/carton versus jackson/woods, but it's just that i have less confidence in making a turnaround on turnovers because of our recent history.

moreover, we've already seen the team shoot consistently over many games. i think we're in a lull and will prove at some point to be the solid shooting team we once were. i stated a week or two ago that i thought we were shooting better than we "should be" at over 41% behind the arc and that we may regress to about 38%. i'd be happy if we end the season at 38%. we're at 39.6% now.

the third factor i listed was health. knock on wood, we should be fine as long as nothing new pops. it's not like andre's eye, washington's ribs, and young's appendix are season-threatening injuries. andre and washington's injuries could be reaggravated, but the outlook still looks positive.
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I mean, maybe you are right that it is a better bet that the shooting will improve before the turnovers do, I dunno. I just know that it is very easy for shooting to get knocked out of rhythm and go cold and there will be games where the shots just aren't falling, even for a team that normally shoots well. So, to me, the one major flaw on this team that they SHOULD be able to exert better control of is the turnovers.

It is good to have perspective about what college basketball looks like now nationally; not a lot of great teams and possibly zero dominant ones... I think the top seeds in the Dance this year are probably going to have a few more notches in their loss columns than what we're used to. And I think our Buckeyes still have potential. But I think the concerning thing with OSU is how we have played the last 5 games, aside from UK. The offense has been ugly, sometimes very ugly. Maybe our shooting returns to the mean but we are going to be playing against better defenses from here on, so I dunno if we are going to see many strong shooting displays like we did earlier in the season.

So for me the one thing I feel like we HAVE to improve is the turnovers. A team that struggles to manufacture points when the outside shooting goes cold can not afford to throw away a bunch of offensive possessions every game. We can't even hang our hat enough on defense when we are turning the ball over because now we are giving easier transition buckets to our opponents. And as readily apparent as this problem has been in this stretch of games, our coaches can't seem to figure out how to nip it in the bud.

So that should be very concerning to everyone. The B1G is no joke this season... very few games coming up where we can keep playing the way we have played the last 4 out of 5 games and get a win. Also disappointing that we've already lost one of our conference home games when road wins have been scarce for anybody in the conference, MSU and now Wiscy being the only two teams to have gotten one so far.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I really wasn't expecting CJ Walker to be a bit of a downgrade from CJ Jackson.
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I guess my question is why no expectation or at least realization of that possibility... both CJs played in good conferences and if you compared their stats, Walker's were clearly worse.

That said, I think Walker is probably a better defender than Jackson and I do think he is a better ballhandler. It's just that his scoring is too erratic in a lower volume and he's a mediocre passer. It can get better, and it needs to, or DJ need to improve rapidly by leaps and bounds to become more of a PG leader and thus relegate CJ to more of a back-up role.
 
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Walker is pretty much what I expected and actually maybe a bit better as his shooting has been solid. I didn't expect a creator type as he didn't do that at FSU.

Carton is actually the one I thought would be much better. He's shown flashes and his athletic ability is evident, but he's too lose with the ball.

I think the main question facing Holtmann is whether to stick with the plan of running the offense almost entirely through Kaleb. I didn't feel like we did that early in the year, but maybe its a matter of facing better defenses. Our offense has had issues against teams like Cincy and WVU who apply a lot of pressure and Wisky who plays sound team defense. Not entirely sure what the answer is because I don't think Kaleb is really a horse that you ride that hard and Carton is really the only guy who is athletic enough to do something off the dribble. MD plays small, so I expect we will stick with the smaller lineup. Kaleb has a lot of size on Smith and with the Mitchells transferring, their post is really thin, so next game will probably look a lot like the Wisky game as far as getting the ball to Kaleb in the post. I suspect MD will look to help Smith as much as possible, so Kaleb needs to be a willing passer and know when he puts the ball on the floor the double is coming.
 
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Bucks have had some really ugly shooting teams recently. Holt’s squad struggled in January last year too (1-6).

I’m simplifying things- there’s certainly a lot to offense and the Bucks seems to struggle at all the basics- but sometimes you just have to make shots. This team is not capable of that over the long term.
 
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Buckeyes are 19 for 71 from three over the last 3 games (26.7%) and have averaged 57 ppg.

They're only giving up 65 ppg in that stretch, which is exactly how many they allowed Kentucky in our last win.

You have to be able to make perimeter shots in today's game. It's simply too big a part of it to shoot so poorly and expect to win.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
would be curious to know how the team has been shooting behind the arc in practice. if they're shooting well in practice, then it may just be a temporary slump. if they're also shooting poorly in practice, then i'm shifting my eyes toward ho1tmann.
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Wasn't their season average 40% coming into the Maryland game? Hell screw the threes, this team had a ton of trouble making point blank layups. Carton missed like 3 in one trip. Team could just be going through the worst shooting slump ever.
 
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