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It's fun that they're still largely discussing Urban Meyer and his satanic powers. Not once did anyone discuss Ryan Day's recruiting in that thread.
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It WAS his ideal job. Low pressure on the expectations front and played in a bad conference. It's not a coincidence Stanford emerged when USC went down in flames. The Pac-12 was Stanford and flawed Oregon teams.
Because they still see Ryan Day as a byproduct of the Urban machine.
When Urban took over, they seemed to be inching back to at least even in the rivalry. They finally won a game and Urban Meyer comes along and snuffs out all of the joy by taking the Ohio State job. He proceeds to kick the crap out of them for 7 years both on field and on the recruiting trail. Him walking into what was a seriously wounded tOSU program and turning it around immediately is direct antithesis of what they've experienced with their last 3 hires. Day, decending directly from Meyer, is just another stab wound from devilish Urban.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
They're in denial. They seem to believe that its all a holdover from Meyer and will collapse next year.
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All teams had to do was completely sell out to stop him and give up 60 points in the process. He's nothing.
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I've got another (much simpler) way to visualize the tOSU-scUM rivalry:
Between 1897 and 1912, Ohio State and Michigan played 14 times, with Michigan compiling a 12-0-2 record.
The two teams did not play each other from 1913 to 1917 because Michigan was kicked out of the Big Ten for cheating (no really, they were).
Since 1918, the two teams have played every year. After the 1918 Game, which was won by Michigan, the Wolverines had 14 net wins in The Rivalry (13 wins, 2 ties), while the Buckeyes had just one net win (two ties, each counting for half a win). So Michigan built an edge of 13 net wins before the end of World War One. That's where the above graph begins.
By 1927, Michigan had built its lead in the Rivalry to 16 nets wins (19-3-2 record; 20 net wins to 4 net wins).
By 1951, Michigan had expanded its lead to 20 net wins (32-12-4 record; 34 net wins to 14 net wins). Then Woody Hayes came along....
By 1975, Woody had cut the gap to just 11 net wins (39-28-5; 41.5 net wins to 30.5 net wins) ... but then he began to fade, losing his last three editions of The Game.
Earle Bruce picked up one game, but by the end of his tenure, Michigan still had a 13 net win lead (46-33-5; 48.5 net wins to 35.5 net wins). Then the Cooper fiasco....
After Cooper's notorious 2-10-1 showing in The Game, Michigan's lead grew to 21 net wins (56-35-6; 59 net wins to 38 net wins). The year was 2000. That was the high point for Michigan in The Rivalry - a 21 net win advantage.
Since the turn of the century, Michigan has gained just two wins: 2003 and 2011, while Ohio State has 17 during the same span. Michigan now has a lead of just 6 net wins (58-52-6; 61 net wins to 55 net wins), and Ohio State is the closest it has ever been to pulling even in The Rivalry ... this despite Michigan's 13-0-2 head start and the 2-10-1 disaster of the Cooper years.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
It was literally the original sin of lack of institutional control when Yost refused to put his football program under the control of the university President and faculty as required by the conference, and the President allowed them to be kicked out rather than exert control over their rogue coach.
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6.5 of Uche's 7.5 sacks as a senior came against Rutgers, Illinois & Maryland.......
Young got 7 against Wisconsin and Ped State. I'd call those " Big Games"
Young got 7 against Wisconsin and Ped State. I'd call those " Big Games"
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Here's another graph, this time showing the scoring differential. I begin the graph at the year 2000, because going back to 1918 required me to input too much data. Sorry, that's what you get for free.
But I will explain how we get to the scoring differential in the year 2000....
From 1897 to 1918, Michigan surged to a 13-0-2 lead in The Rivalry against Ohio State teams that were quite frankly outmatched. In those first 15 games, Ohio State scored in just four of those contests, with no more than 6 points in any one contest. This allowed Michigan to outscore Ohio State 341 to 21, for a point differential of 320.
By 1927, Michigan had increased its point lead to 373 (457 to 84). Through the first 24 Games combined, Ohio State scored just 84 total points, while Michigan scored 86 points in 1902 Game alone. Ohio State's largest scoring output in the first 24 Games was 16 in 1926 (ironically, a 17-16 loss).
By 1941, Ohio State had closed the gap back down to 328 points (603 to 275), thanks in large part to four consecutive blowout shutouts in 1934 (34-0); 1935 (38-0); 1936 (21-0); and 1937 (21-0).
By 1951, Michigan forged its largest margin in point differential, with a lead of 448 points (791 to 343).
Woody Hayes swung The Rivalry back into Ohio State's favor. From 1952 to 1975, he reduced the gap in wins from 20 to 11, and in points from 448 to 307 (1075 to 768). As mentioned above, Woody slipped in his final years, losing his last three Games by a combined score of 50 to 9, which increased the overall point gap to 348 in favor of Michigan (1125 to 777).
Earle Bruce slightly reduced the point gap down to 331 (1275 to 944) before John Cooper really let the situation get out of hand. When Cooper left Ohio State after the 2000 season, the point gap had ballooned almost back to the 1951 low point. It was 409 points (1563 to 1154) when Jim Tressel took over (and where the graph begins)....
Even though Tressel had an early 2-1 record in The Game, the point differential actually increased to 412 (1627 to 1215) after the 2003 loss. Since then, Ohio State has (more or less) steadily closed the scoring gap:
2003: 412 (1627 to 1215)
2004: 396 (1648 to 1252)
2005: 392 (1669 to 1277)
2006: 389 (1708 to 1319)
2007: 378 (1711 to 1333)
2008: 343 (1718 to 1375)
2009: 332 (1728 to 1396)
2010: 302 (1735 to 1433)
2011: 308 (1775 to 1467)
2012: 303 (1796 to 1493)
2013: 302 (1837 to 1535)
2014: 288 (1865 to 1577)
2015: 259 (1878 to 1619)
2016: 256 (1905 to 1649)
2017: 245 (1925 to 1680)
2018: 222 (1964 to 1742)
2019: 193 (1991 to 1798)
Since the end of World War One, Ohio State leads the series: 52-45-4, outscoring Michigan by 106 points (1777 to 1671). All of Michigan's claim to "Leaders and Best" (including five of their MNCs) comes from the true Dark Ages of football.
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