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BuckeyeMike80;1541721; said:
However, as demonstrated in every guerrilla war since the American Revolution, a centralized military power will almost certainly be unable to defeat a radically decentralized opponent.
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
I was traveling to an IBM business partner conference in San Antonio. I had landed around 7:30 and went to get my rental car.The event hotel wasn't far away and I was able to catch the opening and a few sessions. A friend on mine from St Louis had brought his girlfriend and she came down from the room to tell us about the first plane. A short time later everyone knew what was going on and people were in tears. There were many people that were from the NYC area at the event. A Cisco rep's wife worked in the towers and they were trying to contact her and get someone to pick up his kids. She did not make it but his kids were safe.
The hotel told us we could stay as long as we wanted and they charted buses to get people home. Dinner was a sad event.
That was an annual event and they scheduled it for August the following years.
I drove that rental car home to NOLA the next day. Weird to see no planes in the sky and many signs and flags posted on interstate over passes. It seemed every radio station had stopped playing music and there was fear and anger in every callers voice.
I was on one of the first flights into NYC for some additional IBM training. The pilot tipped the plane so we could see the site with the smoke still rising. The training center in Palisades was a refuge for the body sniffing dogs. Lots of armed police and military personnel.
I found out later that one of the guys I graduated engineering school with was on one of the planes.
I told my wife to not let the kids watch the TV. I spent a majority of my time traveling by plane and that was the last thing I wanted them to see.
I am not the most religious man but where ever I am on 9/11 I stop in a church.
The hotel told us we could stay as long as we wanted and they charted buses to get people home. Dinner was a sad event.
That was an annual event and they scheduled it for August the following years.
I drove that rental car home to NOLA the next day. Weird to see no planes in the sky and many signs and flags posted on interstate over passes. It seemed every radio station had stopped playing music and there was fear and anger in every callers voice.
I was on one of the first flights into NYC for some additional IBM training. The pilot tipped the plane so we could see the site with the smoke still rising. The training center in Palisades was a refuge for the body sniffing dogs. Lots of armed police and military personnel.
I found out later that one of the guys I graduated engineering school with was on one of the planes.
I told my wife to not let the kids watch the TV. I spent a majority of my time traveling by plane and that was the last thing I wanted them to see.
I am not the most religious man but where ever I am on 9/11 I stop in a church.
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Steve19;1544287; said:
Did I say any differently??
BTW don't look now, but when we got serious on the ground in Iraq, we kicked the dogshit out of Sadr, AQ, Al-Zarqawi and any FRE elements.
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Taosman;1544700; said:Iraq War= Cluster Fuck of the first order. Poor planning. Poor leadership. Poor politics. 4000+ young Americans dead. Tens of thousands permanently crippled. Thousands of new terrorists created. Trillions of dollars thrown drown a shit hole for a failed ideology.
But we won, right?
We aren't debating the Iraq War here Taos, despite your attempts to turn this forum into the cluster fuck that the Poli Forum WAS (since the Mods/admins are cleaning it up now
)And yes that's all the answer you're going to get.
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Taosman;1543699; said:
Taosman;1544700; said:Iraq War= Cluster [censored] of the first order.
Sadam planned the 9/11 attacks?
But we won, right?
Taosman;1544711; said:
Wrong again. Imagine that.
It's not even fun anymore.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
BuckeyeMike80;1544703; said:We aren't debating the Iraq War here Taos, despite your attempts to turn this forum into the cluster [censored] that the Poli Forum WAS (since the Mods/admins are cleaning it up now
And yes that's all the answer you're going to get.
But you never were a part of all that, right?
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Taosman;1544715; said:But you never were a part of all that, right?
Did I say I wasn't?
More importantly to stop this ongoing attempt at thread derailment, what does this have to do with 9/11?
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Muck
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Steve19;1544287; said:
This is patently false.
Off the top of my head:
Peru, Greece, Guatemala, El Salvador, The Philippines (multiple times), Tibet, Sri Lanka (Tamil Tigers), Spain (Basque Separatists), Malaya, Morocoo/Western Sahara (Polisario)....anyone think the IRA actually won in Ireland?
Hell people's favorite classic example...Vietnam itself was not a guerilla victory. Dien Bien Phu was a standard combined arms battle & it was the NVA (with lots of Soviet support) that defeated the ARVN not the Viet Cong.
...and yes the US Revolutionary war was primarily fought using the standard tactics of the time.
The guerilla victories tend to stick in people's minds (and guerillas get undue credit from time to time just because they happen to be around when the other side quit the field for others reason .... ie the collapse of colonialism) but in reality the majority of the time the little guy gets the short end of the stick and when he does win it's usually because he's getting lots of outside support.
Hell you LIVE in a country where the "centralized military power" won.
Unless the 2nd Boer War happened before the US Revolution...or you're living in an alternate timeline where the Brits didn't win.
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